Jews stoned in East End (again)

[tbaldwin]

how fucking instuling is this....shit???

this si comparible to stephen lawrence?

fuck off you twat...

so what happened here is that a group of twats actively attack a black youth because he was "jewish" and subjected him to a viccious attack which after killing him was taken to trial only for the police to systematically lie about the actions smeer lawrenece and then finally be aquitted only to fess up to it later but excusing it as they were insitutionally racist... is that what you are saying happened?

get a sense of persepctive please darling...

oh and i'm still waiting for what it is you don't understand abotu my pointing out your racsit assumptions....

I really struggled to make any sense of that.
First of all you have accused me of being a racist cretin! But when challenged you can not say who i am supposed to be racist against. Then you talk about my racist assumptions. So WHAT EXCATLY ARE THOSE RACIST ASSUMPTIONS?

 

[ViolentPanda]

How does this relate to "No, those jews in London were mistaken. They weren't stoned for being jews. They were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. It's all a coincidence"?

Is that what you believe Spion to have said?

As for how it relates to your imaginings, I'm making the point that whenever any Jew posts outside what you consider to be "correct", you pull shit that implies that the person you're making waves about is anti-Jewish.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Judge what: whether or not I think someone is a twat?

Don't be disingenuous.

Who better than me to know what I think?

On your recent showings, Spot the dog.

 

[ViolentPanda]

You just made the same sort of generalization about me, that I made about Spion.

Let's see if anyone jumps down your throat with cries of outrage.

No, I'm not making "the same sort of generalisation", Johnny. If you read up the page a little you'll notice that I actually gave examples of when you've performed the same manouvre previously. Not a generalisation, more of a summation based on individual cases.
Pretty much in a different class to making generalisations in the way you have.

 

[ViolentPanda]

surely the converse is also true if you support a group any group without question?

in this case one of the victims of this has said they felt it was becuase they were jewish. why did they feel it was becuase they were jewish?

was it that some judeophobic comments were made whcih lead them to beleive this or was it that they saw Asain youths and assumed they were muslims and then fell back on there own prejuidices to join the dot's.

without further information no one in their right mind would say we have sufficent facts to say one way or the other but to refuse to accept a newspaper story at face value and also to say there are two sides to every argument particularlly when you don't know the fact's isn't called antisemitism it's called being an adult.

Yep.
Pretty much what yourself, myself, Spion, invisibleplanet et al have been saying through the entire thread: It's best not to make assumptions, we don't have all the facts. Once we do, we won't have to make assumptions, we'll have evidence one way or another.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

VP, it's semantics, but Garf's statement is absolute, not speculative.

jsut for refference jsut came accross this can youunderstand basic gramma?

there's nothing wrogn with what i said in terms of it being opened or not of course it is....

look at the words

equally without all the facts it ( the indicent) shouldn't be dressed up as something it(still the incidenct) wasn't.

back to school for you...

 

[coccinelle]

undead...

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Yep.
Pretty much what yourself, myself, Spion, invisibleplanet et al have been saying through the entire thread: It's best not to make assumptions, we don't have all the facts. Once we do, we won't have to make assumptions, we'll have evidence one way or another.

You won't have all the facts until you catch the four asian youths who did it then ran away laughing.

 

[ViolentPanda]

You won't have all the facts until you catch the four asian youths who did it then ran away laughing.

Or other witnesses come forward, or the police finish collating local CCTV footage and other data.
Surely a law-abiding citizen such as yourself realises how absolutely necessary it is to retain the legal principle of the presumption of innocence, however much personal motivations might bias you toward taking a side?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Or other witnesses come forward, or the police finish collating local CCTV footage and other data.
Surely a law-abiding citizen such as yourself realises how absolutely necessary it is to retain the legal principle of the presumption of innocence, however much personal motivations might bias you toward taking a side?

Well, someone threw rocks at those people, either that or the gashes etc were self inflicted.

I didn't think the actus reus was in question here, I thought it was the issue of mens rea vis a vis any anti semitic impetus behind the act.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Well, someone threw rocks at those people, either that or the gashes etc were self inflicted.

I didn't think the actus reus was in question here, I thought it was the issue of mens rea vis a vis any anti semitic impetus behind the act.

or perceived Judeophobia behind the attack...

jonny why do you insist permenantly in using a term which you know to not be an accurate description of the idea could it be you are seeking to mutally exclusively asign the term anti semitism to jews at the exclsuion of other groups or do you actually beleive that there were other semitic tribes with in the group who were attacked.

some people might suggest that your deleiberate useage of the term demonstrates and inherent bias against other semitic tribes, and infer from that a level of prejudice in your posts.

are you anti other Semites JC2 i mean you did come here to teach the lefties and arab lovers a lesson after all...

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

or perceived Judeophobia behind the attack......

The alternative, it's a random attack of youths throwing stones at random people in London.

When I said that I'd feel trepidation walking the streets of London, everybody laughed.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

jonny why do you insist permenantly in using a term which you know to not be an accurate description of the idea could it be you are seeking to mutally exclusively asign the term anti semitism to jews at the exclsuion of other groups or do you actually beleive that there were other semitic tribes with in the group who were attacked....

Whoa, dude! That's quite a sentence.

It's those jews who got stoned who said it was an anti semitic attack.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

p.s. that 'semite' thing has been shown to be the bullshit it really is. It's just guys like you who refuse to see it.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Maybe if it keeps getting repeated to you enough times, it'll finally sink in.

Do you have your home address and phone number pinned to the inside of your jacket?

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

p.s. that 'semite' thing has been shown to be the bullshit it really is. It's just guys like you who refuse to see it.

it has has it hell you'd better get over to the wiki pedia and the worlds hsitory liberaies and remove all that fake evidence then ...

do you even know with out using google what semitic is love...

it's a language base like latin not a genentic or tribal construct.

i'd discuss it more but i have to open a window as the smell from your arse talking is nearly over powering....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Maybe if it keeps getting repeated to you enough times, it'll finally sink in.

Do you have your home address and phone number pinned to the inside of your jacket?

ah the abuse whent he arab basher get's cuaght out once again...

never again after 11 th september wee janny never again... wasn't that what you swore...

or should that be scratch a liberal....

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

ah the abuse whent he arab basher get's cuaght out once again...

never again after 11 th september wee janny never again... wasn't that what you swore...

or should that be scratch a liberal....

Sounds more like arabs bashing jews, with a rock to the head.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Sounds more like arabs bashing jews, with a rock to the head.

so banglas (of which trhe majority are in that area) are the same as arabs now...

is this a polite way of saying they all look alike to you...

You can draw whatever conclusion you like. JC2 is consistently the sceptic on any thread related to muslims. He'll have to figure out his own motivation.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

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Owww!

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

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they all look the same to me...

 

[durruti02]

Except that you've spent the last year or more starting threads that a) castigate anyone not against immigration controls for siding with the bosses b) call for local jobs for local people.

are you really this thick? i do not castigate people against immigration controls but those who have denied the importance of the use of immigration to the bosses .. and I am against immigration controls you dope! .. i believe they do nothing but empower the state .. i am in favour of WORKERS controls at teh base .. where people work and live .. LOL you still can not see the differrence between fighting for workers rights IN THE HERE AND NOW and supportting immigration controls? you still can not see the differrence between being against immigrants and being against how the bosses USE migration? ffs and sorry for being denigrating but i get pretty sick of being accused of shit i do not say believe or do .. do i do similar to you?

and yes i absolutely support local jobs for local people .. there is nothing in the world wrong with this .. but what this has to do with state immigration controls i have no fkn idea!

show a bit of humility mate show some common deceny .. you have wrongly talked some nasty shit about me .. retract it and apologise

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

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they all look the same to me...

That guy looks pretty strong, but he only has a one-pack.

 

[durruti02]

A different attitide to what? Different to their attitude to a spurious story in a local paper? Have you asked them their attitude? Have you provided contrasting evidence to show their attitude in other cases? No is the answer to all of these.

I simply don't accept that it is valid to criticise someone for something when: a) it is not proven that there's even anything to criticise them about b) you haven't asked them to respond.

You may consider it good politics to hang people for something they literally haven't said about something for which there is flimsy or non-existent evidence, but I don't.

do you deny the SWP/Respect have used attacks against muslims and the wars in afghanistan and iraq for political advantage?

( i really feel you have no idea about politics, and what SWP/Respect have been up to, in the east end/east london, the way you are talking, though to be honest it has been on the national stage .. GGs idiot comments about a war on muslims were seen nationally )

 

[durruti02]

No, you bracketed yourself in with them. You made the assumption I was referring to you, and the only way you could have done that is if you actually identified yourself with the negative characteristics I mentioned in the same post.

Shot yourself in the foot there, I think.

so who were you referring to?

 

[ViolentPanda]

so banglas (of which trhe majority are in that area) are the same as arabs now...

is this a polite way of saying they all look alike to you...

Not something you'd say to a Bengali if you wanted to keep your tackle intact, is it? "Oi mate, you look the same as an Arab!".

 

[ViolentPanda]

so who were you referring to?

Go back, read, decide for yourself.

Unless you actually enjoy "playing the victim", in which case don't let me stop you.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Not something you'd say to a Bengali if you wanted to keep your tackle intact, is it? "Oi mate, you look the same as an Arab!".

they might even through stones a you

 

[ViolentPanda]

they might even through stones a you

Exactly.

 

[JimPage]

why are people treating this as racial. there was no racial abuse which would make this anything more than a few lads causing trouble. It is easy to smell the open islamophobia is some posts on this thread

the report itself was from the East London Advertsier, a paper which this week have given letter space to Stuart Russell, ex BNP Press officer and the East London BNP Organiser