Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[SpookyFrank]

Yeah, he might have thought saying AS was dramatically overstated by his opponents on the day the report was released would calm things down a bit alright.

I did wonder at the time if he hadn't knowingly pushed the self-destruct button there. More likely though is that he said it because he believed it was fair comment. But if he's saying that racism has been weaponised against him then he should be aware that any response that could be reformulated as 'I'm the real victim here' would be both an early christmas present for the weaponisers and a fuck you to those who are actually victims of racism.

 

[rummo]

Yeah, he might have thought saying AS was dramatically overstated by his opponents on the day the report was released would calm things down a bit alright.

Maybe he was more concerned with telling the truth (what he said was in fact true, lest we forget) than with calming things down a bit.

 

[sleaterkinney]

Maybe he was more concerned with telling the truth (what he said was in fact true, lest we forget) than with calming things down a bit.

The problem was the timing of those comments on the day the report came out which seems like it was trying to minimise it and it’s why he hasn’t been let back into Labour.

 

[butchersapron]

The problem was the timing of those comments on the day the report came out which seems like it was trying to minimise it and it’s why he hasn’t been let back into Labour.

Again with the wrong FACTS.

 

[butchersapron]

The timing of it was, of course, to indicate to people the anarchists for labour/people who spent 40 years saying the party was irredeemable types on here to keep fighting to redeem the party. It wasn't sloppy - it was calculated.

 

[rummo]

I take it no one disputes that what Corbyn said was in fact true?

 

[butchersapron]

I take it no one disputes that what Corbyn said was in fact true?

No one where? Here? Remind me rummo, what did he say?

 

[sleaterkinney]

The timing of it was, of course, to indicate to people the anarchists for labour/people who spent 40 years saying the party was irredeemable types on here to keep fighting to redeem the party. It wasn't sloppy - it was calculated.

A strange hill to die on if so.

 

[butchersapron]

A strange hill to die on if so.

I appreciate that having principles and wishing to organise politically around them appears strange to you.

 

[sleaterkinney]

I appreciate that having principles and wishing to organise politically around them appears strange to you.

Ah yes, principles.

 

[butchersapron]

Ah yes, principles.

Is this a new term to you?

 

[sleaterkinney]

Is this a new term to you?

You're right butchersapron, what are these things?

 

[Smokeandsteam]

I appreciate that having principles and wishing to organise politically around them appears strange to you.

There is a growing tendency - across various ‘left’ subsets - where this praxis would, in fact, appear very strange.

The notion of having an idea - or a principle or a way of organising society or a demand - and then going out and arguing for it, defending it and learning from the experience win or lose is entirely alien to them.

Instead, these types always ask the question 'which constituencies should we be accommodating' rather than 'what argument must we win'

 

[rummo]

What Corbyn said on Facebook

'Antisemitism is absolutely abhorrent, wrong and responsible for some of humanity’s greatest crimes. As Leader of the Labour Party I was always determined to eliminate all forms of racism and root out the cancer of antisemitism. I have campaigned in support of Jewish people and communities my entire life and I will continue to do so.

“The EHRC’s report shows that when I became Labour leader in 2015, the Party’s processes for handling complaints were not fit for purpose. Reform was then stalled by an obstructive party bureaucracy. But from 2018, Jennie Formby and a new NEC that supported my leadership made substantial improvements, making it much easier and swifter to remove antisemites. My team acted to speed up, not hinder the process.

“Anyone claiming there is no antisemitism in the Labour Party is wrong. Of course there is, as there is throughout society, and sometimes it is voiced by people who think of themselves as on the left.

“Jewish members of our party and the wider community were right to expect us to deal with it, and I regret that it took longer to deliver that change than it should.

“One antisemite is one too many, but the scale of the problem was also dramatically overstated for political reasons by our opponents inside and outside the party, as well as by much of the media. That combination hurt Jewish people and must never be repeated.

“My sincere hope is that relations with Jewish communities can be rebuilt and those fears overcome. While I do not accept all of its findings, I trust its recommendations will be swiftly implemented to help move on from this period.”


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Part of what Corbyn said in response to a journalist's question. He mentioned an opinion poll referred to in the Bad News For Labour Book to vouch his claim. I can't find a link to the actual broadcast.

'One anti-Semite is one too many, but the scale of the problem was also dramatically overstated for political reasons by our opponents inside and outside the party, as well as by much of the media’


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Is anyone disputing the truth of anything he said?

 

[butchersapron]

Anyone claiming there is no antisemitism in the Labour Party is wrong. Of course there is, as there is throughout society, and sometimes it is voiced by people who think of themselves as on the left.

“Jewish members of our party and the wider community were right to expect us to deal with it, and I regret that it took longer to deliver that change than it should.

“One antisemite is one too many, but the scale of the problem was also dramatically overstated for political reasons by our opponents inside and outside the party, as well as by much of the media. That combination hurt Jewish people and must never be repeated.

“My sincere hope is that relations with Jewish communities can be rebuilt and those fears overcome. While I do not accept all of its findings, I trust its recommendations will be swiftly implemented to help move on from this period.”

Just to check rummo, are you disputing this?

 

[rummo]

Anyone claiming there is no antisemitism in the Labour Party is wrong. Of course there is, as there is throughout society, and sometimes it is voiced by people who think of themselves as on the left.

“Jewish members of our party and the wider community were right to expect us to deal with it, and I regret that it took longer to deliver that change than it should.

“One antisemite is one too many, but the scale of the problem was also dramatically overstated for political reasons by our opponents inside and outside the party, as well as by much of the media. That combination hurt Jewish people and must never be repeated.

“My sincere hope is that relations with Jewish communities can be rebuilt and those fears overcome. While I do not accept all of its findings, I trust its recommendations will be swiftly implemented to help move on from this period.”

Just to check rummo, are you disputing this?

I'm asking whether anyone disputes the truth of what Corbyn said.

 

[butchersapron]

I'm asking whether anyone disputes the truth of what Corbyn said.

So am i. Is he correct in the above?

Could you talk a bit about the 'combination' - do you dispute that?

 

[rummo]

So am i. Is he correct in the above?

Could you talk a bit about the 'combination' - do you dispute that?

Sorry, you'll have to be clearer, less vague, more specific about what you are asking.

 

[butchersapron]

Sorry, you'll have to be clearer, less vague, more specific about what you are asking.

Anyone claiming there is no antisemitism in the Labour Party is wrong. Of course there is, as there is throughout society, and sometimes it is voiced by people who think of themselves as on the left.

“Jewish members of our party and the wider community were right to expect us to deal with it, and I regret that it took longer to deliver that change than it should.

“One antisemite is one too many, but the scale of the problem was also dramatically overstated for political reasons by our opponents inside and outside the party, as well as by much of the media. That combination hurt Jewish people and must never be repeated.

“My sincere hope is that relations with Jewish communities can be rebuilt and those fears overcome. While I do not accept all of its findings, I trust its recommendations will be swiftly implemented to help move on from this period.”

Just to check rummo, are you disputing this?

 

[rummo]

Anyone claiming there is no antisemitism in the Labour Party is wrong. Of course there is, as there is throughout society, and sometimes it is voiced by people who think of themselves as on the left.

“Jewish members of our party and the wider community were right to expect us to deal with it, and I regret that it took longer to deliver that change than it should.

“One antisemite is one too many, but the scale of the problem was also dramatically overstated for political reasons by our opponents inside and outside the party, as well as by much of the media. That combination hurt Jewish people and must never be repeated.

“My sincere hope is that relations with Jewish communities can be rebuilt and those fears overcome. While I do not accept all of its findings, I trust its recommendations will be swiftly implemented to help move on from this period.”

Just to check rummo, are you disputing this?

Am I disputing that Corbyn stated his opinion on the report? No.

 

[butchersapron]

Am I disputing that Corbyn stated his opinion on the report? No.

Are you disputing the content of corbyn's reply?

You are rubbish.

 

[rummo]

Are you disputing the content of corbyn's reply?

You are rubbish.

Sorry, but I am struggling to understand what you are asking here.

Are you asking if I agree with Corbyn's opinion of the report?

 

[butchersapron]

Sorry, but I am struggling to understand what you are asking here.

Are you asking if I agree with Corbyn's opinion of the report?

I'm asking if you dispute what corbyn said. Yes. like you yourself asked. But you seem to have a problem with it. Why?

 

[butchersapron]

I mean ffs. You literally started this you prat.

 

[rummo]

I mean ffs. You literally started this you prat.

Calm down. I'm quite happy to answer your questions if I can understand them. But, and I don't mean to be uncharitable, you aren't expressing yourself particularly clearly. You also seem to have anger management issues.

Let me say, in case this is what you are asking, I accept that Corby offered that as his opinion on the report. I accept that he was being genuine in saying what he did.

 

[butchersapron]

Calm down. I'm quite happy to answer your questions if I can understand them. But, and I don't mean to be uncharitable, you aren't expressing yourself particularly clearly. You also seem to have anger management issues.

Let me say, in case this is what you are asking, I accept that Corby offered that as his opinion on the report. I accept that he was being genuine in saying what he did.

I didn't ask that. I asked - as you did - do you dispute the content of his reply. I think, given your dissembling, that you do. You dispute what corbyn says - that you set out to defend.

 

[butchersapron]

You people

 

[butchersapron]

Join a party with rummo and steve and sleater they said, it'll be great they said

 

[rummo]

I didn't ask that. I asked - as you did - do you dispute the content of his reply. I think, given your dissembling, that you do. You dispute what corbyn says - that you set out to defend.

Let me try to help.

Facts you can accept or reject.

Opinions you can agree with or disagree with.

I was asking whether anyone was disputing the facts referred to by Corbyn, not whether they agreed with his opinions.

 

[butchersapron]

Let me try to help.

Facts you can accept or reject.

Opinions you can agree with or disagree with.

I was asking whether anyone was disputing the facts referred to by Corbyn, not whether they agreed with his opinions.

I asked you if you dispute what corbyn said. You seem unable to do so.

I wonder what bit of his statement is causing you such problems? Can you help here you piss faced racist pussy?