Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
That's zinoviev of that
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Jeremy Corbyn's time is up
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The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I dunno tbh has there been a left movement in the Labour Party that on one hand scaled such heights but whose bubble popped so quickly ? Where’s the legacy ?
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
You are half right
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Yeh I don't think he's ever been a hero either
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
But he was tbh however momentarily and however flimsy it all was he was a hero for thousands . Albeit flawed full of 1980s anti imperialism and other isms he was popular with a cross generational left . There was a feeling that despite what ever our gut instinct said about the Labour Party that it was actually possible. However it was a movement with very little traction in the W/class and with nothing from below aside from ‘ I want to believe’ . A totally unstable and unsustainable coalition that’s just dissipated into thin air. Ok he may have temporarily moved the Overton window in terms of what is aspirational but where’s the beef to back it up?
Probably not. There isn't a legacy, as least in the Labour Party. It was a strange fluke that he ended up leading it, and there was never the sound and experienced base of support there to make it sustainable.
I guess beyond the party, who knows? It's too early to say. If there's one thing we can thank Starmer for, it's making it clear Labour isn't the vehicle for radical change it briefly appeared it might have been. The material conditions that made Corbyn happen aren't going away - something will be along soon enough, and you can be sure lessons will be taken from the past five years. Possibly not the right ones, but...
Funky_monks
Neo-Rustic
Depends on your definition of "hero", I guess. Whilst I may be considerably further to the left than him/the LP/etc. For a brief moment, I did have a slight glimmer of a hope that turkeys might not actually vote for christmas, and that alone in the current climate is reasonably heroic.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
The UK breaking up is necessary.
I think anything that Labour left people are involved with - grassroots stuff like National Food Service and tenants unions etc - is very clearly going to be outside the party. The right are ideologically opposed to actually doing stuff, the centre don't have the first idea how to do it and as a result Labour funds and resources will never be directed to those activities in any meaningful way
Update: apparently it's Hodge who is threatening to go. That's Margaret Hodge who said social housing should be reserved for white people when the BNP were on the rise in Barking and has since tried to claim all the credit for the work of anti-racist activists who mobilised to keep them out of office there
Also: has a long standing grudge against Corbyn from her time at Islington council and the child abuse scandal there
ska invita
back on the other side
...freeing British people from the yoke of the Tories
The break up of the union looks to me to be driven by repeated nails hammered into the unions coffin by the Tories. I'm not against the Union - if there's a break up I'd hope in the fullness of time a federal Union re-emerges at some point - but I am against a Union run from London by Tories for London Tories and their kin
I read somewhere that the lingering dislike stems from her treatment of The Woodland Folk.
Chopped down: The Woodcraft Folk
They were founded as a socialist alternative to the Scouts. Now The Woodcraft Folk's state subsidy has been axed by a Labour government, a move that may kill the organisation, reports Terry Kirby
www.independent.co.uk
Why Hodge is not a public pariah after her handling of the Islington Child Abuse Scandal is an enduring mystery.
Have a feeling the enmity pre-dates that - back to when she was running Islington and Corbyn was the local MP.I read somewhere that the lingering dislike stems from her treatment of The Woodland Folk.
Chopped down: The Woodcraft Folk
They were founded as a socialist alternative to the Scouts. Now The Woodcraft Folk's state subsidy has been axed by a Labour government, a move that may kill the organisation, reports Terry Kirby
Why Hodge is not a public pariah after her handling of the Islington Child Abuse Scandal is an enduring mystery.
Yeah, that story reminded me - she was Children's Minister ffs, with her record.
Just another example of having the right politics to ensure all this stuff goes down the memory hole
Breaking the UK into its constituent parts will not reduce the influence of the Tories.
That argument is straight out of the ''something must be done, this is something, then that is what we must do'' drawer.
Politics will realign on independence anyway. You're seeing a re-emergence of Scottish Tories now anyway in their old Borders and north-eastern strongholds. Once the SNP have achieved their primary objective you'll see them realign/split/whatever eventually.
There will always be a right wing party (and centre/centre left parties for people who want to be right wing but not called cunts for it)
Plumdaff
joy in people
It might not reduce their influence in England.
Here in Wales the population has never, in a 100 years, voted for a Tory government, yet because Wales has 40 MPs and England 533 Wales is normally landed with one anyway. So even though we'd no doubt end up with Tories/Abolish the Assembly/UKIP types in an independent Senedd it would certainly reduce their influence here.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
A 32 county socialist Ireland.
The direction of travel certainly seems to be in favour of Irish reunification.
Not sure about the socialist bit though. That's more of a stretch.
Northern Ireland's position within the UK though is materially different to that of Scotland and Wales.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
The occupation of the 6 counties is indeed materially different.
It is no longer a question of if, but rather, when said occupation ends.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Keir Starmer denies Jeremy Corbyn Labour whip despite end of suspension
Decision means former leader will not sit as Labour MP and is likely to reignite party row
Refused the whip to appease yesterday's noise and despite his obviously worked out grovelling apology.
Have some pride in yourself man. Stand down or go fully independent.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Just checking, you men the ireland that's the most right wing country in western europe? That ireland?
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Why would the reunification of Ireland be something to wish for?
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
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