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Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

cantsin said:
deliberately misrepresenting by the looks of it
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The ‘jew baby-killer’ tweet made several references to labour. Picken then used the hashtag #labourantisemtism, and has gone on to point out that even if the charming chap involved isn’t a labour member, his psychopathic statement can hardly be dissociated from antisemtism in the Labour Party.

I wonder what was concerning her more - the threat of violence or ensuring that Labour Party members didn’t feel unfairly got at?

Many of those involved in campaigning around this have stated their concern that there will be physical violence against Jews. Do you believe them?
 
MadeInBedlam said:
The ‘jew baby-killer’ tweet made several references to labour. Picken then used the hashtag #labourantisemtism, and has gone on to point out that even if the charming chap involved isn’t a labour member, his psychopathic statement can hardly be dissociated from antisemtism in the Labour Party.

I wonder what was concerning her more - the threat of violence or ensuring that Labour Party members didn’t feel unfairly got at?

Many of those involved in campaigning around this have stated their concern that there will be physical violence against Jews. Do you believe them?
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depends who you're referring to here - eg : I don't believe a word that comes from Euan Phillips, Pickens, Gnasher ....but there may be other campaigners that do feel threatened, especially when you have the likes of Riley / Oberman amplifying utter nonsense from online fruitcakes sat 10 000 miles away, who have nothing to do with the Labour Party, or Lab movement, and deliberately rolling it into the Lab / AS narrative - end result I'd guess could be heightened fear amongst some of the jewish community, and I 'd suspect also rising scepticism amongst the many who see through it
 
MadeInBedlam said:
The ‘jew baby-killer’ tweet made several references to labour. Picken then used the hashtag #labourantisemtism, and has gone on to point out that even if the charming chap involved isn’t a labour member, his psychopathic statement can hardly be dissociated from antisemtism in the Labour Party.
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Of course it can, and clearly needs to be by anyone who's serious about this. He's in Australia for heaven's sake and has nothing to do with the Labour party.
 
hash tag said:
Live here
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All wanking on about their parentage and backgrounds .. not a word about their actual politics (except ''refusing to enable a hard tory brexit'' obvs, whatever tf that even means)

It all came across as I joined Labour when I was young and idealistic, and now I'm no longer idealistic and I don't want the party to still be, either

tl;dr self-serving pricks.
 
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Re the anti-Semitism, I do wonder what people consider Corbyn's response should have been? I mean, it's been crap (this is not a thing where his 'not-dignifying-with-an-answer technique works), but it seems an unwinnable battle. Was he supposed to resign for not managing it? Remove everyone from the Labour party accused of anti semitism (which would doubtless result in removal of people who have merely criticised Israel). I can't see any response that would be considered acceptable.

As ever, I maintain that the focus on Labour anti-Semitism, which is a thing, don't get me wrong, is disproportionate to the existential threat Labour poses to Jews (none, imo) and has more to do with opposition to socialism than anyone actually giving a shit about the well-being of Jews
 
Cloo said:
Re the anti-Semitism, I do wonder what people consider Corbyn's response should have been? I mean, it's been crap (this is not a thing where his 'not-dignifying-with-an-answer technique works), but it seems an unwinnable battle. Was he supposed to resign for not managing it? Remove everyone from the Labour party accused of anti semitism (which would doubtless result in removal of people who have merely criticised Israel). I can't see any response that would be considered acceptable.

As ever, I maintain that the focus on Labour anti-Semitism, which is a thing, don't get me wrong, is disproportionate to the existential threat Labour poses to Jews (none, imo) and has more to do with opposition to socialism than anyone actually giving a shit about the well-being of Jews
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I think a lot of it comes down to lack of leadership skills. At some point he has to have worked the difficult MPs to get them onside, increase their confidence in his determination to sort the problem out, make them feel important (even though these six are really not). Instead, he lets things slide, like last week when Watson and McDonnell were arguing in public. No comment from him. That may be very, very difficult given the hostility to him, the weaponising by the media etc, but that's the territory. He has to own it.

The other is communication. He can't seem to work his audience unless he is hectoring it from a mike with things they want to hear. He has had opportunities to passionately appeal to the Jewish community through various media and face to face, but doesn't seem to be able to. No updates on the issue, just seems uncomfortable on it, avoids it. He'd be better off talking about it everyday. When accused by May of antisemitism during PMQs he just looks awkward. He should have given her a roasting and declared his utter passion to eradicate it.

So not a leader and lacks the ability to charm opponents. I don't see that he can beat this right now and he's an absolute sitting duck to any further revelations. Given it seems that a small but significant proportion of Labour's supporters would support him even if he was found to have tortured a cat this is quite a liability.
 
Mr Moose said:
I think a lot of it comes down to lack of leadership skills. At some point he has to have worked the difficult MPs to get them onside, increase their confidence in his determination to sort the problem out, make them feel important (even though these six are really not).
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That simply isn't true. Look at the make-up of the first Corbyn Shadow Cabinet (where Berger was a minister), there was a clear attempt to work with these pricks (those that would agree to serve in the SC, Umunna of course ruled himself out of working in a Corbyn cabinet). What did it get the Labour left, an attempted coup against someone who had walked an election a year previously.

These people are in hock to Neo-liberalism, they have made it clear that they will do everything possible to block even the very small moves the LP has made. And now when they've found that they are have no purchase in the party and that Labour members despise them they have decided to throw their toys, and egos, out of the pram.
 
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Libertad said:
- @ChukaUmunna
- @MikeGapes
- @lucianaberger
- @anncoffey_mp
- @ChrisLeslieMP
- @gavinshuker
- @angelasmithmp

They were all likely to be deselected by their CLPs so fuck em.
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Very probably, but so many people saying that stuff in public is a sign of really deep divisions. If he faces challenges like this now, he's in serious shit if Labour win.
However, even the shite Tory government and pathetic PM in number 10 at the moment can beat him hands down so there's fat chance of getting rid of the conservatives until he's dumped.
 
Don Troooomp said:
Very probably, but so many people saying that stuff in public is a sign of really deep divisions. If he faces challenges like this now, he's in serious shit if Labour win.
However, even the shite Tory government and pathetic PM in number 10 at the moment can beat him hands down so there's fat chance of getting rid of the conservatives until he's dumped.
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Thank you for your customary incoherence.
 
Don Troooomp said:
Very probably, but so many people saying that stuff in public is a sign of really deep divisions. If he faces challenges like this now, he's in serious shit if Labour win.
However, even the shite Tory government and pathetic PM in number 10 at the moment can beat him hands down so there's fat chance of getting rid of the conservatives until he's dumped.
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Yes, don't want austerity as implemented by the blue team, it must be implemented by the red team.
 
redsquirrel said:
These people are in hock to Neo-liberalism, they have made it clear that they will do everything possible to block even the very small move's the LP has made. And now when they've found that they are have no purchase in the party and that Labour members despise them they have decided to throw their toys, and egos, out of the pram.
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One of the things that were instructive yesterday was the mentions Harold Wilson got during the press conference. They were saying “we are the inheritors of the Labour tradition, not Corbyn”. But any serious analysis would make a nonsense of that: Corbyn isn’t proposing a programme anywhere close to Wilson. And the new group wouldn’t want us to think they are, which is why it was the older nonentities in the middle of the baton relay who made the Wilson references (already introduced as “from different generations” by Luciana Berger), rather than the “stars” who opened and closed proceedings.

They were trying to signal that they’re a “natural home” for Labour members, to make it easier for foot soldiers to jump ship, because they know without a grassroots party they’ll get nowhere. But the neoliberal tendency in the PLP knows that too, which is why they’re sticking with Labour, whatever their feelings on Corbyn.
 
redsquirrel said:
That simply isn't true. Look at the make-up of the first Corbyn Shadow Cabinet (where Berger was a minister), there was a clear attempt to work with these pricks (those that would agree to serve in the SC, Umunna of course ruled himself out of working in a Corbyn cabinet). What did it get the Labour left, an attempted coup against someone who had walked an election a year previously.

These people are in hock to Neo-liberalism, they have made it clear that they will do everything possible to block even the very small moves the LP has made. And now when they've found that they are have no purchase in the party and that Labour members despise them they have decided to throw their toys, and egos, out of the pram.
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Your analysis is spot on and I agree 100%. But it’s not the only factor.

Loathsome as these seven are, Berger is unquestionably the victim of antisemitism both from within and without of the party. This board recognises the dodgy, conspiraloon, elements in Labour easily enough.

We find that Corbyn hasn’t spoken to her in 14 months. Effectively, he is her boss, he heads the organisation she belongs to. Imagine a tribunal where a boss admits they didn’t speak to a victim of racism for that amount of time because it’s clear she doesn’t like me.

Labour is probably doing some decent work to change, but it won’t reach beyond the party until it displays public passion on antisemitism. If it does that it can neutralise some of the political attacks. But Corbyn, in history and demeanour is a weakness here. These seven are nothing in the scheme of things, but another bombshell now, real or contrived, damaging.
 
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