Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[Mr Moose]

This particular instance is quite instructive though. McDonnell’s first instincts were to defend the local party, not to ask a few deeper questions about the motivations for a VONC against a pregnant Jewish MP.

Watson’s first instincts were to smell BS and defend the MP for which he gets the usual abuse. JC’s first impulse, to say nothing about the issue or the leadership divide.

There may be leadership, but it is apparently lacking, no reminding members of their moral compass, no reassurance or charm towards the MP or other waverers. How long can that go on without damaging Labour’s electoral chances?

 

[Pickman's model]

This particular instance is quite instructive though. McDonnell’s first instincts were to defend the local party, not to ask a few deeper questions about the motivations for a VONC against a pregnant Jewish MP.

Watson’s first instincts were to smell BS and defend the MP for which he gets the usual abuse. JC’s first impulse, to say nothing about the issue or the leadership divide.

There may be leadership, but it is apparently lacking, no reminding members of their moral compass, no reassurance or charm towards the MP or other waverers. How long can that go on without damaging Labour’s electoral chances?

Why do you see a Jewish MP as not part of the local party, and why do you suggest - against the actual evidence - that the CLP is unanimous against her?

 

[Mr Moose]

Why do you see a Jewish MP as not part of the local party, and why do you suggest - against the actual evidence - that the CLP is unanimous against her?

You are being pedantic. There are clearly elements of the local party set against her. I didn’t suggest your first point, nor unanimity.

Do you have an opinion on the behaviour of McDonnell, Watson and Corbyn on this issue to share?

 

[Pickman's model]

You are being pedantic. There are clearly elements of the local party set against her. I didn’t suggest your first point, nor unanimity.

Do you have an opinion on the behaviour of McDonnell, Watson and Corbyn on this issue to share?

Now it's elements against her, before it was the local party

A view on their behaviour? Yes, yes I do.

 

[Shechemite]

Where is corbyn anyway? You never see him these days

 

[tommers]

Where is corbyn anyway? You never see him these days

He has to make those hourly reports to Czech intelligence. Keeps him busy.

 

[Mr Moose]

Now it's elements against her, before it was the local party

A view on their behaviour? Yes, yes I do.

Well, if it’s at the level of your current contribution it may be wise to keep it to yourself.

 

[Pickman's model]

Well, if it’s at the level of your current contribution it may be wise to keep it to yourself.

perhaps you could engage brain before posting. i didn't put hand to keyboard to the extent you perhaps expected being as i didn't have a keyboard to hand, and wasn't minded to spend the final two minutes of a bus journey typing for five minutes on a phone's touch screen. once again you think you know fucking everything but instead know fuck all.

as i've made clear in posts over the last four years i believe the labour party leadership have as much to offer as their predecessors in office, ie fuck all. for someone who has spent so many years in the labour party, corbyn seems to have very little idea of how to actually manage a party despite having observed leaders from harold wilson to ed miliband and the different means they employed to rally the ranks. as a result the labour party in both its parliamentary and constituency levels is riven with dissent, with people who believe corbyn has much to offer at odds with people who believe he is satan incarnate. within the troika you mention above, there is similar dissent - watson on the one hand and corbyn and mcdonnell on the other have little bar their party affiliation in common. i don't know why you believe people who are pregnant and people who are jewish should get special treatment from votes of no confidence. i think that as long as such activity in clps is consonant with the labour party rules (https://theclarionmag.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/LabourRuleBook2018.pdf) clps should just be left to get on with it. but tbh i wouldn't be a member of such a nefandous party as the labour party, nor could i in good conscience advise anyone else to participate in their activities.

 

[Mr Moose]

perhaps you could engage brain before posting. i didn't put hand to keyboard to the extent you perhaps expected being as i didn't have a keyboard to hand, and wasn't minded to spend the final two minutes of a bus journey typing for five minutes on a phone's touch screen. once again you think you know fucking everything but instead know fuck all.

as i've made clear in posts over the last four years i believe the labour party leadership have as much to offer as their predecessors in office, ie fuck all. for someone who has spent so many years in the labour party, corbyn seems to have very little idea of how to actually manage a party despite having observed leaders from harold wilson to ed miliband and the different means they employed to rally the ranks. as a result the labour party in both its parliamentary and constituency levels is riven with dissent, with people who believe corbyn has much to offer at odds with people who believe he is satan incarnate. within the troika you mention above, there is similar dissent - watson on the one hand and corbyn and mcdonnell on the other have little bar their party affiliation in common. i don't know why you believe people who are pregnant and people who are jewish should get special treatment from votes of no confidence. i think that as long as such activity in clps is consonant with the labour party rules (https://theclarionmag.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/LabourRuleBook2018.pdf) clps should just be left to get on with it. but tbh i wouldn't be a member of such a nefandous party as the labour party, nor could i in good conscience advise anyone else to participate in their activities.

Thank’s that’s more helpful than your daft misreading of what I wrote about McDonnell backing the CLP.

Without question the rules should apply evenly, but trying to pursue any heavily pregnant woman around issues of work discipline (which is the ballpark) requires sensitivity and fairness. That she is also Jewish, given the current state of affairs in the party, should at least require the Party to consider who has a dog in the fight. As you indicate, it doesn’t suggest a competent party machine and it doesn’t look to the outside a fair one.

So yes, the leadership end up looking a mess and in particular McDonnell using the occasion to call out her loyalty.

 

[belboid]

Interesting bit from Jenny Formby's reply to a PLP letter:

"Finally, I am pleased that our improved procedures allow me to be able to correct an account of a submission made at yesterday’s PLP meeting regarding a dossier submitted with 200 examples. The 200 examples do not relate to 200 separate individuals. They relate to 111 individuals reported of whom only 20 were members"

I wonder who might have sent that dossier in?

 

[TopCat]

Interesting bit from Jenny Formby's reply to a PLP letter:

"Finally, I am pleased that our improved procedures allow me to be able to correct an account of a submission made at yesterday’s PLP meeting regarding a dossier submitted with 200 examples. The 200 examples do not relate to 200 separate individuals. They relate to 111 individuals reported of whom only 20 were members"

I wonder who might have sent that dossier in?

Hodge said she sent in 200. That they don't refer to Labour party members on the whole says much about her and her motivations.

 

[Shechemite]

Hodge said she sent in 200. That they don't refer to Labour party members on the whole says much about her and her motivations.

Was she meant to track down and identify the individuals first prior to sending her complaint to the party?

 

[two sheds]

It says something that she assumed they were Labour members, and perhaps that Labour is the only organization she can think of that would act on a complaint.

Eta assuming that those 200 she reported weren't all Labour members, which isn't really clear.

 

[killer b]

Hodge said she sent in 200. That they don't refer to Labour party members on the whole says much about her and her motivations.

backbenchers don't have the means of checking if someone is a labour party member tbf.

 

[Shechemite]

Or so we’re told

 

[TopCat]

backbenchers don't have the means of checking if someone is a labour party member tbf.

So she just reports all and any anti semitism to the LP and shouts about it? Some right wing cunt makes an anti Semitic remark and she throws at the door of the LP?

 

[Shechemite]

So she just reports all and any anti semitism to the LP and shouts about it? Some right wing cunt makes an anti Semitic remark and she throws at the door of the LP?

Why are you asking urban?

 

[agricola]

backbenchers don't have the means of checking if someone is a labour party member tbf.

The expulsions / suspensions / rejections around the time of the two leadership elections would suggest that they (CLPs if not MPs) must have some means of doing it; IIRC some people were punished for backing other parties on twitter.

 

[killer b]

So she just reports all and any anti semitism to the LP and shouts about it? Some right wing cunt makes an anti Semitic remark and she throws at the door of the LP?

Well, I haven't seen this particular dossier, but I assume it's mostly abuse from twitter accounts called things like 'JC4PM GTTO Dave' and facebook accounts with labour roses in their profile pics. If you include the actual neo-nazis you could get well over 200 in half an hour.

 

[killer b]

The expulsions / suspensions / rejections around the time of the two leadership elections would suggest that they (CLPs if not MPs) must have some means of doing it; IIRC some people were punished for backing other parties on twitter.

CLPs have access to local membership lists.

edit: this was done the other way round too - new members had their social media checked for compliance as they came in.

 

[cantsin]

Todays' vile Labour anti semite, wishing for horrible stuff to happens to Bergers baby, and obviously being RT''d by Rachel Riley , Pickens etc etc.

( they all been told repeatedly that the fruitcake responsible has 'Truther' in his bio, RT's Trump all over the shop, and lives in Australia... )

 

[Shechemite]

Todays' vile Labour anti semite, wishing for horrible stuff to happens to Bergers baby, and obviously being RT''d by Rachel Riley , Pickens etc etc.

( they all been told repeatedly that the fruitcake responsible has 'Truther' in his bio, RT's Trump all over the shop, and lives in Australia... )

What’s your point?

 

[killer b]

What’s your point?

see how annoying it is?

 

[Shechemite]

In any case, that was yesterday’s corbynysta racist weirdo.

Today ‘labour left voice’ have been sharing photoshopped tweets purporting to show Riley promting islamophobia, and some other dickhead has been drawing up lists of MPs who follow Jews on twitter.

 

[Shechemite]

see how annoying it is?

Fuck off

 

[Shechemite]

( they all been told repeatedly that the fruitcake responsible has 'Truther' in his bio, RT's Trump all over the shop, and lives in Australia... )

Are they ‘weaponising’ or simply overreacting?

 

[cantsin]

In any case, that was yesterday’s corbynysta racist weirdo.

Today ‘labour left voice’ have been sharing photoshopped tweets purporting to show Riley promting islamophobia, and some other dickhead has been drawing up lists of MPs who follow Jews on twitter.

that fruitcake had nothing to do with 'Corbynism' : Trumpite, Truther, Vaxxer, Islamaphobe

 

[andysays]

You know, I'm beginning to think the 'Jeremy Corbyn's time is up' thread's time is up.

 

[Shechemite]

Are they ‘weaponising’ or simply overreacting?

cantsin ?

 

[cantsin]

cantsin ?

deliberately misrepresenting by the looks of it