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Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

Labours problem is that the loons think they've finally been given the nod to go public - they think (rightly or wrongly) that Corbyn is one of them, and that he thinks is what they think, but that he is constrained by 'politics', whilst they are his attack dogs.

That goes equally for the old timers who've had to keep their heads down under previous labour leaders, and new entrants.

I don't think Labour will shift them - being loons they don't hear things they don't like, so Corbyn can tell them to fuck off till he's blue in the face, but they'll never believe anything other than that he might be saying that but what he means is 'keep the faith, we believe the same thing'.

Loons being loons they'll latch on to anything, but Corbyn hasn't helped himself with the people he's associated himself with, the dabbling in conspiraloonery he's done - if you lie with dogs for long enough, you'll pick up fleas.
 
until very recently, everyone didn't have an instantly searchable database of every stupid thing they said in the last 10 years.

Or because he is the chair of a CLP which put forward a VONC against a Jew, for ‘undermining’ corbyn over antisemtism. A VONC proposed by an antisemite that is.
 
Labours problem is that the loons think they've finally been given the nod to go public - they think (rightly or wrongly) that Corbyn is one of them, and that he thinks is what they think, but that he is constrained by 'politics', whilst they are his attack dogs.

That goes equally for the old timers who've had to keep their heads down under previous labour leaders, and new entrants.

I don't think Labour will shift them - being loons they don't hear things they don't like, so Corbyn can tell them to fuck off till he's blue in the face, but they'll never believe anything other than that he might be saying that but what he means is 'keep the faith, we believe the same thing'.

Loons being loons they'll latch on to anything, but Corbyn hasn't helped himself with the people he's associated himself with, the dabbling in conspiraloonery he's done - if you lie with dogs for long enough, you'll pick up fleas.
I agree with this more or less, apart from the first bit - the cranks have always been vocal - hence why so many of the offending tweets etc unearthed are from before 2015.
 
Joking aside, over 100 years of authoritarian ‘socialism’, and we’re still having to justify challenging racism and holding political parties to account.
 
When has Labour not been racist? When have the Tories not been even more racist for that matter? Same old shite. Fuck the lot of 'em. Mind you, Corbyn is probably less racist than your average Tory MP or backbench Labour MP but that doesn't sell papers or fit the current agenda.
 
When has Labour not been racist? When have the Tories not been even more racist for that matter? Same old shite. Fuck the lot of 'em. Mind you, Corbyn is probably less racist than your average Tory MP or backbench Labour MP but that doesn't sell papers or fit the current agenda.

Are we allowed to challenge racism because of the, you know, principle of doing so? Why are socialists/anarchists worrying over how the media is spinning it or which party is more racist?
 
It’s a given that the tories, the dail mail and so on will use whatever they can to prop up the conservative government.

Why should we allow our campaigning (or whatever) to be influenced by them?
 
Indeed, we are allowed to talk about related things though. How would you say compare the dangers of antisemitism from Labour and the "far left" with that from the Tories and the "far right"?

I don’t anticipate the far right getting into power anytime soon, and I don’t spend much time around the far right
 
Are we allowed to challenge racism because of the, you know, principle of doing so? Why are socialists/anarchists worrying over how the media is spinning it or which party is more racist?
Who's worried? I don't give a fuck about the Labour Party to be honest. It's interesting to watch the hypocritical bullshit from various sides, mind.
 
The idea that Jews are as concerned as they at what’s happening is down to anything other than genuine concern also fucks me right off. Frankly.
 
Or because he is the chair of a CLP which put forward a VONC against a Jew, for ‘undermining’ corbyn over antisemtism. A VONC proposed by an antisemite that is.

I do have a problem, from a non-Jewish perspective with someone, such as Scott-Samuel who is a Jew being so casally dismissed as an anti-Semite. Certainly "Jewish Voice for Labour" a Corbynite group of which he is a member see the situation as being a little more complex. Luciana Berger and Wavertree – some background and updates

As to the proposed vote itself, it was a motion of no confidence against an MP to the right of the party who is and always has been unpopular within sections of her local who see her as a Blairite who was parachuted in and who, on antisemitism and other issues, is seen as being hypercritical of the current leadership.

My assumption is that they want to get rid of her because they don't like her, not because she's Jewish.
 
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