Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[Spymaster]

To be honest what's important about "piggate" is not whether he actually did it, but that people believed he is the type of person who could done it.

Just as in this case the shit might stick because it's easy to believe Corbyn is the type of person could've said "stupid woman" even if in this particular incident he might have said "stupid people"

I think this is the wrong way round. What's remarkable here is not so much that he called her a stupid woman but that he blatantly lied about it. If this had been a bog standard tory acting the dick, as was said by someone upthread, it wouldn't really have surprised anyone. But Corbyn's image is supposedly one of an honest man who's better than that. In one fell swoop he's consigned his Mr Integrity image to the bin and shown he's just as much of a bullshitter as any of the others of any party, and worse than some, with barefaced piss taking.

 

[MickiQ]

it looks to me like he said stupid woman, (I have a deaf friend I will ask her should I see her soon), he probably shouldn't have done. Having done so he should have apologised and not denied it, That said in the great scheme of things it probably doesn't matter, The people who hate him will not hate him any more strongly, those who think he's the 2nd coming will deny it till they're blue in the face.
Most of the population will not give a flying fuck one way or the other.This is even more feeble than the anti-Semitism jag, if you're trying to discredit someone rather than the policies they espouse you need to find something that people can identify with, so far they haven't. People in politics seem to get wound up over minor slights that the general population will largely shrug off.

 

[Pickman's model]

He lied. He clearly said 'stupid woman'. Now we have a Labour MP heading jailwards for lying about who was driving her car. Can we believe anything a Labour MP says?

Could we ever?

 

[Gromit]

What adds to the evidence of stupid people over woman is his eye movements.

He looks to his left and right whilst saying it. Not straight across at May.

 

[Raheem]

When you have to choose between the truth and the legend...

I believe TW wasn't the first to say this. Although whoever it was can't really complain, can they?

 

[Sasaferrato]

Could we ever?

Fair point. It would have to be extended to all MPs really.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

According to the rules of their game the Tories probably scored a point there. No one really cares though do they. Corbyn v May at PMQ is a bald men/comb scenario anyway.

 

[mojo pixy]

One thing I do for a living is coach elocution, pronunciation and public speaking. This is something I've decided I can have a ''professional opinion'' about and in that opinion he said woman. Or muppet. Well tbh unless he has a northern accent, not muppet. And definitely not people.

His pants are well on fire.

 

[Voley]

Or muppet

I prefer 'muppet.' Preferably said Ray Winstone 'You fackin muppet' style. I can see Jezza saying that tbf.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Jezza and May both look like they're just waiting for the end at this point to be honest. I feel like a lot of opportunities that existed for Corbyn's Labour have really passed them by in the last few months.

 

[Supine]

If he had said Muppet I'd have a lot of respect for him

 

[oryx]

Had Corbyn admitted what he had done, apologised and moved on, it would be forgotten by tomorrow.

No, it wouldn't. He'd be branded a misogynist and there would be more outrage about that.

 

[brogdale]

One thing I do for a living is coach elocution, pronunciation and public speaking. This is something I've decided I can have a ''professional opinion'' about and in that opinion he said woman. Or muppet. Well tbh unless he has a northern accent, not muppet. And definitely not people.

His pants are well on fire.

 

[DexterTCN]

Stopped any discussion about his refusal to back a vote of no confidence anyway. phew.

 

[two sheds]

A cunning ruse.

 

[Ax^]

Jezza and May both look like they're just waiting for the end at this point to be honest. I feel like a lot of opportunities that existed for Corbyn's Labour have really passed them by in the last few months.

if only they had a blairite in power...

 

[ViolentPanda]

Even the Eye, no admirer of Cameron, concedes hat it was not true. In fact, Urban seems to be the only place still perpetuating the myth.

Even if it were true, in the grading of Cameron's obscenities, it would be near the bottom of the list.

I would buy a ticket to watch the cunt hanged, drawn and quartered. (I realise that most of you would be too lily-livered to go, but I would report back.)

I realised to my horror the other day, that an eviscerated person bothers me less than an eviscerated animal.

Private Eye conceded that there was no hard evidence for Oakeshott's claim, only hearsay from various peers of Cameron, not that the claim was false.

 

[Shechemite]

Obviously the revolting Gooner is terrified of a resurgent Man U.

He clearly muttered ‘Solskjær’

 

[Shechemite]

.This is even more feeble than the anti-Semitism jag.

 

[Shechemite]

Nor has he seen through government policies that have seen thousands of people neglected, displaced, hospitalised, or dead.

But isn’t going to scrap UC, and makes the bullshit claims that labour will ‘incorporate CRPD into UK law’

 

[Brainaddict]

Jezza and May both look like they're just waiting for the end at this point to be honest. I feel like a lot of opportunities that existed for Corbyn's Labour have really passed them by in the last few months.

Really, in what way? Imo only an insane person would have tried to get Labour in power before Brexit happens, particularly when it is a party just as divided as the Tory party. Stopping Brexit would destroy Labour electorally for twenty years. Getting a good deal isn't possible. So the opportunity is to critique the specific deal at every opportunity, which is what they have done.

 

[03gills]

She's not a stupid Woman.

She's a fucking stupid Woman.

Also a piss flap, cocking, useless wank stain of a PM.

 

[MickiQ]

No, it wouldn't. He'd be branded a misogynist and there would be more outrage about that.

Only within a small bubble that consists of Parliament, a few commentators and some newspaper editors that would try and flog it to death, no-one else cares, it will have zero impact positive or negative on the Labour vote.

 

[03gills]

''Yes I called you a stupid woman, fucking what of it?''

 

[SpackleFrog]

if only they had a blairite in power...

Not my point at all.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Really, in what way? Imo only an insane person would have tried to get Labour in power before Brexit happens, particularly when it is a party just as divided as the Tory party. Stopping Brexit would destroy Labour electorally for twenty years. Getting a good deal isn't possible. So the opportunity is to critique the specific deal at every opportunity, which is what they have done.

I wasn't suggesting Labour should stop Brexit. I'm not particularly keen on the theory that it's good strategy to bide your time while this govt destroys us either though.

It just seems like to me, there's very little chance of an election now, and that May is likely to be removed by a vote of confidence. Once that has happened I can't see Corbyn forming a govt.

He's at his weakest when he's engaging in all the Parliamentary theatre and he's strongest when he's mobilising people outside Parliament to support him.

 

[Brainaddict]

I wasn't suggesting Labour should stop Brexit. I'm not particularly keen on the theory that it's good strategy to bide your time while this govt destroys us either though.

It just seems like to me, there's very little chance of an election now, and that May is likely to be removed by a vote of confidence. Once that has happened I can't see Corbyn forming a govt.

He's at his weakest when he's engaging in all the Parliamentary theatre and he's strongest when he's mobilising people outside Parliament to support him.

Not sure what you think he should be doing then. I assume the strategy is to wait for Brexit, wait for the economic impacts to really bite, at which point both remainers and brexiteers are likely to be angry with the Tories, then try and go for the proper no confidence votes and so on. Not sure May is relevant to any wider strategy tbh. She's always been a placeholder.

Edit: Do you think he should have tried to get in to negotiate a better deal on Brexit? The EU sees itself as a club with membership benefits, so it needs to be make sure that those leaving are seen to have dis-benefits. There was never going to be a 'good deal'. Not negotiated by Labour or anyone.

 

[cantsin]

I think this is the wrong way round. What's remarkable here is not so much that he called her a stupid woman but that he blatantly lied about it. If this had been a bog standard tory acting the dick, as was said by someone upthread, it wouldn't really have surprised anyone. But Corbyn's image is supposedly one of an honest man who's better than that. In one fell swoop he's consigned his Mr Integrity image to the bin and shown he's just as much of a bullshitter as any of the others of any party, and worse than some, with barefaced piss taking.

except that there seems to have been just as many 'pro lip readers' saying he deffo said ' people', and if you look at the slowed down footage, it v much looks like he's pursing his lips .... so you can either accept their view / and Corbyn's lifelong record of not saying shit like that, or not, but pretending there's any open and shut case here that somehow changes what Cotbyn is / isn't, or how he'll be viewed going fwd, is just silly Daily Maily type bollocks

 

[TopCat]

Out of character for JC to have said this. I don't believe he called that cunt that.

 

[SpookyFrank]

He lied. He clearly said 'stupid woman'. Now we have a Labour MP heading jailwards for lying about who was driving her car. Can we believe anything a Labour MP says?

Tories famously above reproach in the veracity depaetment of course.