danny la rouge
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I'm not a Labour or Corbyn supporter, so it's nothing to do with the clip. I've seen her do other people. I don't find any of it funny. This isn't a political position.
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danny la rouge
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I did.
danny la rouge
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You're just finding new ways to be disingenuous. The article I linked by Richard Seymour covers it.
In other news, gammon is now an antisemitic slur and the ethnonationalist right are being given unchallenged platforms to attack the left in ways liberals approve of.
danny la rouge
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Oh, the article you linked to covers it. There's no point in any other views then. I must be being disingenuous.
Jesus.
I don't seem to be able to say anything you won't misinterpret even though you've lived here a long time and probably all your life.
The Seymour article is better than anything I can write. You don't have to engage with it, honestly or otherwise, of course.
danny la rouge
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Stop this shit.
andysays
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Why don't you just suggest that danny la rouge doesn't understand English irony...
That is what I was going for. Was it not clear?
danny la rouge
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OK, that was funny I'll give you that.
danny la rouge
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Leaving aside this latest video, regardless of ones interpretation of it, there are three strands that some people seem to find it difficult to disentangle.
1. The disingenuous labelling of all criticism of the Israeli state, its actions and policies, as necessarily anti-Semitic.
2. The actual anti-semitism that exists on the left, often associated with Palestinian solidarity (which does not have to be anti-Semitic); the blind eye turned to it; the dodgy alliances thereby arrived at.
3. The use made of both of the above by anti Corbyn forces inside and outside of the Labour Party.
Corbyn and his team are at the very least accident-prone on dealing with this. They are especially inept at dealing with 1 and 3 because of 2.
We've all seen 2. It does us no favours to keep saying "but 1" or "but 3". At some point, we on the broader left, and the Labour left and leadership in particular, need to deal with 2, and decisively.
1. The disingenuous labelling of all criticism of the Israeli state, its actions and policies, as necessarily anti-Semitic.
2. The actual anti-semitism that exists on the left, often associated with Palestinian solidarity (which does not have to be anti-Semitic); the blind eye turned to it; the dodgy alliances thereby arrived at.
3. The use made of both of the above by anti Corbyn forces inside and outside of the Labour Party.
Corbyn and his team are at the very least accident-prone on dealing with this. They are especially inept at dealing with 1 and 3 because of 2.
We've all seen 2. It does us no favours to keep saying "but 1" or "but 3". At some point, we on the broader left, and the Labour left and leadership in particular, need to deal with 2, and decisively.
Saw that today, hardly a win for Dempsey was it?
danny la rouge
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Not seen it. Anyone want to summarise?
sealion
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danny la rouge
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I'll need to look at that later: I'm out and about today.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
perhaps you should reread the tweet.That interview reminds me of this gem of a suggestion the other day.
Examine their records- if they're politically impure, you can ignore what they say about this subject and conclude they're lying.
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he says nothing about lying. he says nothing about ignoring them.
he talks, rather, about not conceding to right-wing ultra-nationalists.
it's really rather different.
most people here would, i believe, agree with me that right-wing ultra-nationalists are indeed politically impure - or to put it another way, their politics are shit.
remedial english beckons, bimble.
Treacle Toes
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Because all of a sudden looking at someone's voting/political record is a bad way of understanding someone's political leanings? 
or is it okay to do this to everyone else but not rabbis?
or is it okay to do this to everyone else but not rabbis? 
bimble
floofy
He says that 'examining the records' of the 68 rabbis should have been the first response to their letter. To check if their concerns should be taken in good faith or dismissed as smears. Maybe you agree that was a good idea. I can't really engage with this at the mo though, will leave it to others with a better sense of irony.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
this isn't about your actual agreement or otherwise with the tweet, it's with understanding what the bloody thing in fact says. maybe you don't think it would be a good idea to understand it before deciding whether to agree with it.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
it's so hard to tell the difference between when you don't understand something and you make out people are saying something completely different from what they are, and when you're not understanding something ironically and making out people are saying something completely different from what they are.
cantsin
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Dont agree with ED on everything ( by a long stretch), but what do you find 'dreadful' / 'embarassing' here ?
On a separate note, that Sky interviewer seems to be turning into one of the more sensible news journos around at the moment, actually lets people speak / debate etc
Treacle Toes
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Ah, no time to engage but snuck an indirect smear in there of your own because you haven't been agreed with outright.
Just as long as you don't send me any more manipulative PMs, i suppose I should be happy.
Pickman's model
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i'm pleased she keeps all her 'banter' with me publicView attachment 145528
Ah, no time to engage but snuck an indirect smear in there of your own because you haven't been agreed with outright.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
Frank Field jumps before he is pushed then. He's always been a monumental arsehole so I can't say I'm going to miss him. Although, he is standing as an indy so maybe he will still be about as his local support must be pretty stuanch. I don't know. Either way he's a prick.
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DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
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