Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[DownwardDog]

Another example is Hartlepool, for ease I've just made anti-Labour = UKIP + Tory + LD + Referendum party

Year. UKIP+Tory Anti-Labour
2017 19120 19866
2015 19308 22262
2010 13440 19973
2005 5314 16087
2004 6237 16956
2001 7935 13652
1997 11207 17455
1992 18034 24894
1987 17007 24054

There's a consistent anti-labour vote of ~14,000-24,000 but it moves around quite a lot, supporting the party that seems best placed to depose Labour. Tory in 2017, UKIP in 2015, LD in 2010

Hartlepool does have its widely despised and venal leadership of the local Labour group - even by the normal loathsome standards of local government. This drives a lot of anti Labour sentiment in the town which would otherwise not exist.



Stephen and Christopher Akers-Belcher. Locally known as the SCABs.

 

[hash tag]

Looks like someone is ready for an election Labour drawing up draft Queen's Speech in preparation for a snap general election win

 

[Mr Moose]

Labour under Corbyn an ‘existential threat’ to Jewish people?

Jewish newspapers claim Corbyn poses 'existential threat'

 

[teqniq]

Ongoing smear campaign largely centered around Labour's new anti-semitism guidelines. It more properly belongs on the Labour and ant-semitism thread. Been going on now for at least the past couple of weeks. Surely you cannot have missed it? I thought about posting stuff related to it on that thread but tbh I am sick and tired of it. Elements of the Labour right would much rather they lose the next election than have Corbyn as PM. See the antics of Margaret Hodge, who is frankly imo a disgrace.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

The Labour right may be capitalising on the situation but you are telling half a story. Last two weeks it’s mostly Jewish people I have heard calling Corbyn out on this stuff, and other lefties such as:

 

[teqniq]

If I am so are you. There is a detailed analysis of the new guidelines by a Jewish scholar that I read last week essentially rubiishing claims that the guidelines are flawed. I will see if I can find it when I've more time. The divide though is largely along left/right lines both within and without the Jewish community.

 

[19force8]

No idea what this row was about, but it seems the right in the PLP are losing it - or maybe that's what they want us to think

Formal complaint lodged against Austin over Lavery verbal assault

 

[bimble]

Don't know if this is what you meant teqniq but its a helpful analysis of what the differences actually are (between the 2 guidelines). The Code of Conduct for Antisemitism: a tale of two texts

At the same time though the endless repetition that the jews who are angry / scared are acting not in good faith, have a hidden agenda etc, is really boring now.

 

[Mr Moose]

Ongoing smear campaign largely centered around Labour's new anti-semitism guidelines. It more properly belongs on the Labour and ant-semitism thread. Been going on now for at least the past couple of weeks. Surely you cannot have missed it? I thought about posting stuff related to it on that thread but tbh I am sick and tired of it. Elements of the Labour right would much rather they lose the next election than have Corbyn as PM. See the antics of Margaret Hodge, who is frankly imo a disgrace.

Not missed it, but this is a direct and hysterical attack on Corbyn that demands his head. So the question for this thread is can he put it behind him?

 

[killer b]

Yeah, sure he can. Who's going to be convinced by this who isn't already? If anything the wagons will be circled even tighter.

 

[killer b]

this twitter thread makes some good points.

 

[JimW]

Doesn't strike you as something that will have a massive impact among the wider electorate and even among those more interested looks like an over-played hand. Existential threat!

 

[mojo pixy]

They're literally saying he's worse than Hitler (well, as bad as). It's quite bizarre.

 

[teqniq]

Yes it seems to have reached new levels of shrillness and hysteria pretty much as if they've realised that people have lost interest or are not buying into the narrative.

 

[SpookyFrank]

this twitter thread makes some good points.

That front page looks a lot like desperation to me. Reminiscent of the hysterical anti-Corbyn stuff in the Sun pre-election last year. They wouldn't be going to such absurd lengths if they felt they were actually taking their readership with them on this.

And still nothing from these papers on May and the tories' failure to implement the IHRC definition in any form at all. Very mysterious.

 

[killer b]

I think they have taken their readerships with them tbf. The purpose of those front pages is to create noise elsewhere.

 

[butchersapron]

I think they have taken their readerships with them tbf. The purpose of those front pages is to create noise elsewhere.

To encourage others to make noise as well.

Nothing has changed as far as i can tell and none of this will change anything electorally.

 

[MightyTibberton]

https://judiciary.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Stern-Testimony-11.07.17.pdf

This is an interesting view, from the man who actually wrote the "working definition" that this row has focused on.

It's quite long, but I won't try to summarise it for fear of being accused of (and of actually) taking things out of context, but I will say - I think fairly - that it supports the Labour view.

 

[ska invita]

They're literally saying he's worse than Hitler (well, as bad as). It's quite bizarre.

Point made well by (Jewish) FB friend here:

"There are days when you really need a sachertorte, but the Freedom Party of Austria really puts you off. There was that little trouble in Austria in the 30s and 40s, but despite that 26% of the electorate voted for the FPO in the last election and they hold six seats in government, the FPO is a party formed by former Nazis. The want to ban kosher meat, or at the very least compile a list of those who buy it. As if any Jew would want to give their name to a bunch of fascists. The FPO is what could be called an existential threat to Jewish life in Austrian. Perhaps it would be better if Austria signed up to the International Holocaust Memorial Alliance.
Except they have.
So, wandering round Europe, so far to Hungary, Poland, Croatia and Austria we find anti-Semites ruling or in strong cabinet positions and all of them signed up to the IHMA.
We're not finished yet."

 

[Mr Moose]

To encourage others to make noise as well.

Nothing has changed as far as i can tell and none of this will change anything electorally.

Being seen to be in dispute with a whole community (not that Labour is, but quite a lot of people are not listening) is the kind of thing that could contribute to a critical mass of difficulty. Particularly when every action works like a Jedi power in reverse making the opponent stronger.

Maybe it won’t affect the overall vote much, but in constituencies with a high Jewish vote it certainly will.

Possible grounds for a press complaint at the least, but then another action that fans the flames.

 

[killer b]

Maybe it won’t affect the overall vote much, but in constituencies with a high Jewish vote it certainly will.

What, today's headline will? I doubt it - the Jewish block vote for Labour bottomed out well before today.

 

[03gills]

Things centrist twitter have achieved:

1: Turned half of the left against remain with #FBPE

2: Made the left colourblind to anti-Semitism within it's own ranks by using it as a political football.

3: Redeemed Corbyn in the eyes of gammon by continually calling him a 'hard brexiteer'.

 

[MightyTibberton]

I was going to post a long comment on a particular bare-faced lie I saw in the Jewish Chronicle piece, and the irony of various papers, websites, and blogs whose stock in trade is dog-whistling racism at least making hay out of all of this, and even its effectiveness as a generalised smear and vote supressor rather than something that will cause mass defections to other parties...

In the end though,I just find it so depressing that it is only going to get worse:

He's an East German spy. No a Czech spy. A terrorist symathiser. A communist. A pacifist. He mocks our fallen by dancing at the Cenotaph. He's a security risk. And if not him then a colleague. Or a friend. Or someone he was at a meeting with. Or someone he once met.

 

[Shechemite]

Things centrist twitter have achieved:

1: Turned half of the left against remain with #FBPE

2: Made the left colourblind to anti-Semitism within it's own ranks by using it as a political football.

3: Redeemed Corbyn in the eyes of gammon by continually calling him a 'hard brexiteer'.

Wake up sheeple

 

[agricola]

What, today's headline will? I doubt it - the Jewish block vote for Labour bottomed out well before today.

Pollard's articles during Ed "Son of a Marxist" Miliband's time certainly make for amusing reading nowadays. Or at least more amusing than they were at the time.

 

[killer b]

this is funny, mind.

 

[killer b]

Adam Wagner's thread here about the Labour/Jews clusterfuck is a good one (he's usually worth reading on the topic).

 

[J Ed]

Haven't seen this posted yet, worth a read

Robin Blackburn: The Corbyn Project. New Left Review 111, May-June 2018.

 

[killer b]

cheers, i saw a ref to that somewhere the other day but hadn't got round to seeking it out...

 

[butchersapron]

Red bases in 72 (universities as a base for violent revolution). Fair to say he's not got a good a track record. Something obv up with NLR- late two issues in a row after 50 years of punctuality.