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Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

redsquirrel said:
Hang on your proposed solution was to ditch Corbyn and for, another person on the Labour left to be elected leader - somehow you never explained how this person was to get on the ballot considering the rules at the time.

So do you still want to see Corbyn gone? And replaced by who?

On what basis is this person with insight making this prediction?

Because it sounds like the re-heated nonsense based on a poor understanding of the UK parliamentary system that has been going around and around for the last three years. There simply isn't enough space for another centrist party in the UK, the LD vote dropped at the last election. Even Labour MPs have enough sense/self-interest to see that they got in (on increased majorities for many of them) on the back of the Labour Party, they aren't going to throw that away.
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You can ditch the leader without necessarily ditching the politics. If it’s just him carrying it forward then it’s unlikely to be successful in the long term. And let’s face it, he has some baggage that is going to be hard to overcome. Who comes next is a very good question and I would hope Corbyn himself has an answer before his bubble bursts.

But don’t act like you expected 40% at the election at the point he was polling well below. You simply wanted to see the Labour Party rid of the soft left, which is fair enough.
 
Mr Moose said:
You can ditch the leader without necessarily ditching the politics. If it’s just him carrying it forward then it’s unlikely to be successful in the long term. And let’s face it, he has some baggage that is going to be hard to overcome. Who comes next is a very good question and I would hope Corbyn himself has an answer before his bubble bursts.

But don’t act like you expected 40% at the election at the point he was polling well below. You simply wanted to see the Labour Party rid of the soft left, which is fair enough.
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To what baggage do you refer?
 
Mr Moose said:
You can ditch the leader without necessarily ditching the politics.
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Not when anyone with light social democratic policies would not get elected leader as they would not get onto the ballot. Getting rid of Corbyn before the 2017 election would have resulted in the the party moving back to the policies it had under Miliband. Again you're just showing your ignorance of both the internal politics of the party and how the leadership process works.

Mr Moose said:
You simply wanted to see the Labour Party rid of the soft left, which is fair enough.
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Wrong again. Beyond a certain schadenfreude at seeing right wing pricks crying I'm disinterested in the internal politics of the LP. Not only have I never been a member of the LP, I consider the LP part of the problem rather than the solution.
 
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redsquirrel said:
Not when anyone with light social democratic policies would not get elected leader as they would not get onto the ballot. Getting rid of Corbyn before the 2017 election would have resulted in the the party moving back to the policies it had under Miliband. Again you're just showing your ignorance of both the internal politics of the party and how the leadership process works.

Wrong again. Beyond a certain schadenfreude at seeing right wing pricks crying I'm disinterested in the internal politics of the LP. Not only have I never been a member of the LP, I consider the LP part of the problem rather than the solution.
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Er your second point is rather contradicted by the first.
 
I don't think the antisemitism row is that electorally significant (although it may be significant internally) - but Corbyn does have plenty of baggage which is significant - and I think that perhaps the antisemitism stuff does complement these: the Tory attacks of the past few years serve as a helpful guide: The IRA, Hamas, Trident, etc etc. While these things haven't been enough to totally torpedo the party, they are fairly significant IMO in keeping them from getting much above 40%.
 
killer b said:
I don't think the antisemitism row is that electorally significant (although it may be significant internally) - but Corbyn does have plenty of baggage which is significant - and I think that perhaps the antisemitism stuff does complement these: the Tory attacks of the past few years serve as a helpful guide: The IRA, Hamas, Trident, etc etc. While these things haven't been enough to totally torpedo the party, they are fairly significant IMO in keeping them from getting much above 40%.
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The attacks on Ed Miliband appeared insignificant until support collapsed at an unfortunate time. There will be a good time for Jeremy to hand over and a bad one to stay beyond.
 
As I say: I think the attacks have a dampening effect on how wide his support can go. But we've seen the limits of that dampening already.
 
The attacks are out there and have been digested by the readers - cannot see reiteration having much effect either way going forward. New smears needed. I am sure some hip young gunslingers are on the case.
 
The most significant attack against Miliband was - ironically - that they would most likely have to rely on the Scottish Nationalists to form a government.

I'm not sure that line would have quite the same resonance now.
 
The thing with smears is that they're much less effective if the person they're directed at just shrugs them off. So far they don't seem to be getting under Corbyn's skin in the way they obviously did with Miliband - as long as that stays the same I agree with killer b that there's not going to be much more mielage in them.
 
Besides the personal dislike of Corbyn, the big problem for Labour going beyond 40% is that a lot of those potential voters are going to have voted leave, and are not going be happy if Labour's position is to remain or some sort of 'Brexit in name only'. But there's also a large group of remainers who could potentially leave Labour if they think they are too Brexit. And this is also a big problem the anti-Corbyn factions run into, they claim Corbyn is unelectable and will lead to electoral disaster but many are pushing for a Brexit policy that would lead to exactly that. That's also why the idea that Labour should be doing better line doesn't make much sense, because to do better would basically require them to attract leave supporting Tory voters without losing the hardcore remainers.
 
J Ed said:
A centrist party has been about to form imminently for years now. I wouldn't rule it out entirely as a a last ditch spoiler tactic, but agree with killer b it is unlikely that it is going to happen.
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I quite like the way we all ignore the libdem lice in all this. 'A centrist party too shit to be the centrist party'. :thumbs:
 
Does anyone know what he's replying to here? It looks bad, but with the tweet it's responding to deleted I can imagine some possible ways it might be just unfortunately worded...
 
No, missed the initial tweet. However several of the replies to Javid talk about the original poster having no references to Labour on their profile and maybe possible sock puppet.



People talking about libel but doesn't he get away with it by not explicitly connecting the two statements? Not sure on the law here...
 
This is the tween Javid was replying to by all accounts:

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