bemused
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I think Corbyn had a clear idea what it was.
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I think Corbyn had a clear idea what it was.
Well I'm always having to argue with people who genuinely don't recognise them (including the mural in question, more than once). Maybe they didn't pay attention.
binka
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I think a lot of people wouldn't recognize them as anti-semitic tropes, but Corbyn surely should have
scifisam
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A selection from the twitter link you posted:
At what point do we get to call the Labour Party the National Socialist Party?
Herr Corbyn
politicians repeat anti-Semitic canards that would not be out of place in Nazi Germany"
This thing is straight out of Nazi propaganda.
This smells of 1930's National Socialism
At what point do we get to call the Labour Party the National Socialist Party? Seriously, do we have to wait until Owen Jones & Momentum are picketing "Zionist" businesses?
That politicians repeat anti-Semitic canards that would not be out of place in Nazi Germany
Corbyn the Putin-Loving Nazi
From "moderates."
But yeah, obviously "not a Nazi" is not actually the standard. Funnily enough that's not my standard either.
Vintage Paw
dead stare and computer glare
I did history up until a-level and I don't remember them covering antisemitic tropes and stereotypes, but it was a while ago (early-mid 90s) and perhaps these things varied from exam board to exam board.
But that's neither here nor there. Yes, I would have expected Corbyn to recognise one.
But that's neither here nor there. Yes, I would have expected Corbyn to recognise one.
Of course.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
I don't think any of them cover that socialism of fools thing tbf, and thats the trap. Starts with enemy of my enemy is my friend and then goes bad places. Or maybe not even that, a crude understanding of capitalism being the bad folks doing bad things leading to. Gods and monsters.
not sure if those are moderates tbh - most of em read like potted responses from Guido fans.
J Ed
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Lots of cross-fertilisation going on between those two groups though.
HoratioCuthbert
Deep seated inconsequence
Absolutely, this stuff is no longer so fringe or indicative of a specific group.
Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
But had been a professional politician for more than 20 years. It’s sloppy is the kindest reading.
DownwardDog
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Of course he did. He is genuinely unintelligent and rather unworldly but he has spent his entire adult life around a great variety of nutter groups. He must have been exposed to loads of this type of shit.
Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
J Ed
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I wonder, in an alternate universe where Corbyn and those around him hadn't been subjected to a constant smear campaign with much of that entirely made up or exaggerated to the point where it no longer made any logical sense, would this be having more of an impact?
mojo pixy
interesting times
Probably because hardly anyone believes Corbyn *personally* is an antisemite. Even if (as is becoming clear to more and more people daily) there's a problem with "international bankers - media controllers" style antisemitism right across the political left, is Corbyn himself guilty of holding such views? Probably not. But he is a conviction politician and therefore rather inept when it comes to political subtlety.
(I hope I left my rose-tinted glasses off for that. I lost them some time ago but maybe that's because they've fixed themselves in place and that's why I can't find them)
(I hope I left my rose-tinted glasses off for that. I lost them some time ago but maybe that's because they've fixed themselves in place and that's why I can't find them)
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I think if he posted on here he would - in line with the generally accepted position that it doesn't matter if you don't personally think that you're being anti-semitic by long term hanging around with anti-semites and linking to anti-semitic things but that in doing so you objectively are being anti-semitic- at best be a target for sustained ongoing criticism on anti-racist grounds, and at worst, and i think far more likely given it's repetition, be banned. As so many before him.
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Just done a very quick check of BBC, Guardian, Telegraph and this story doesn't seem to be making waves on those sites yet. To my surprise, Owen Smith's sacking appears to be being treated as more important.
stethoscope
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Labour moderates looking to make more capital from the Smith sacking/Corbyn brexit position. Chuka and co. all joining in again.
J Ed
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If I am entirely honest, the mural comments makes me think that he is at most generous best a lot more naive on this than I thought he was.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Yeh. All the stalinists of my acquaintance believe in democratic centralism. Can the same be said of corbyn? I think not.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
Im also surprised that more isn't being made of this - hes bang to right's as being far too blind to pretty fucking blatant anti-semitism.
I also think its part of a another wave of co-ordinated attacks on corbyn. Owen Smith most have known that he would've been sacked and he is a cats paw for the anti-corbyn faction in the labour party. Their main attack on corbyn is now all about Brexit - so i see this as part of that.
Then you have the czech spy bollocks, the snidey newsnight backdrop and this incident being dug up.
However, this and his clumsy response to the nerve gas attack do seem to show he's too close to conspriacy theory twats on the left - giving them houseroom rather then purging them as fuckwits in urban 75 style.
I also think its part of a another wave of co-ordinated attacks on corbyn. Owen Smith most have known that he would've been sacked and he is a cats paw for the anti-corbyn faction in the labour party. Their main attack on corbyn is now all about Brexit - so i see this as part of that.
Then you have the czech spy bollocks, the snidey newsnight backdrop and this incident being dug up.
However, this and his clumsy response to the nerve gas attack do seem to show he's too close to conspriacy theory twats on the left - giving them houseroom rather then purging them as fuckwits in urban 75 style.
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mojo pixy
interesting times
In the end a paint job is just a paint job.
Sparkle Motion
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Is a mural containing Lenin, more or less offensive than an anti Semitic mural?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Always with the binaries. Might be as and contain lenin
Nice one
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DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
the hatless dome ones are the best ones
Voley
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On the BBC lunchtime news today but only mentioned briefly in a wider 'Has Corbyn lost touch with Labour core voters?' type piece. Much more emphasis on Owen Smith.
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