Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[19force8]

again, easy to confuse (I guess ) , but pass-agg ( as a 'tense' ? did you mean 'tone' ? ) and "slowly growing impatience with irrelevant gubbins" very different beasts really

A weak attempt at a pun, ho hum.

 

[Smoking kills]

Sorry to butt in to the love in in a pass agg kinda way, but I recall seeing stacks of Labour leaflets about Grammar schools at their stall at the local fayre a fortnight ago. Central office stuff, Mc Nicoll name on them. Another booby trap not avoided?

 

[seventh bullet]

In the Irish case, I would say, yes, pretty much. I've only met one who wasn't a wanker, and his excuse for going to a fee-paying private school was that his parents were aid workers in some impossibly remote part of Ethiopia, where there were no schools that do the Leaving Cert.

Plenty of middle class wankers who weren't sent to them...

 

[Louis MacNeice]

And in both cases damaging to the Labour cause.

It has been my observation over half a century, that extremist politics, right or left, don't play well in Britain. We're a fairly conservative lot really.

If you've been observing for half a century you will know that in that time Corbyn and co's social democratic solutions used to enjoy cross party consensual support for decades; it was referred to as the post-war settlement or Butskillism.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[Louis MacNeice]

It seems like the politics of envy, akin to 'I can't afford a BMW, so I'm forbidding you from having one'.

If we were prepared to increase the education budget twenty fold, all schools could have the facilities of Eton, but we are not going to do that.

I have experience of both a state comprehensive, and one of the best public schools in Scotland. In truth, there wasn't a huge difference in the ability of the teachers between the two, but there was a huge difference in classroom discipline. Probably the biggest difference was that you had the same teacher right through, and smaller classes. Because of the smaller classes, the teacher picked up on the weaker aspects of your understanding, and did something about it. In the last year I was at the state comprehensive, I had four English teachers, none of which were interested enough to realise that the four of us right at the back were passing the time playing pontoon.

My parents weren't wealthy, I got a partial scholarship, but even so, it was a major outlay for them. That kind of spurred you on to succeed.

None of your anecdata answers my question. So once again what is this "'lowest common denominator' socialist ideal" is when it's at home? What makes it socialist and where is the evidence of it being put forward....I haven't seen anyone calling for the banning of BMWs?

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[krtek a houby]

Eton hasn't changed in 575 years and no sticking plaster fix is going to do so now. The only way it's changing is to turn it into a state school under local authority control and make entry subject to a lottery approach.

Did he go to one of these seven schools?

Charterhouse, Eton College, Harrow School, Rugby School, Shrewsbury School, Westminster School, and Winchester College

Or did he just go to a generically "posh" private school?

I never asked him, as I said, someone else told me. I don't ask people what school they went to, generally.

And fuck everybody else, lovely.

As I said, I imagine those do it for the love of their kids without any diabolical shit on those that can't afford it plan...

 

[seventh bullet]

They don't do it to keep their little dears away from other people's children?

 

[two sheds]

If you've been observing for half a century you will know that in that time Corbyn and co's social democratic solutions used to enjoy cross party consensual support for decades; it was referred to as the post-war settlement or Butskillism.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

That was ... communism

And just think ourselves lucky we've not had any extremists in power since then eh.

 

[kabbes]

I never asked him, as I said, someone else told me. I don't ask people what school they went to, generally.

So you -- quite literally -- don't know what you are talking about on the subject. You knew a man once, is what your anecdote boils down to. You don't know anything about him, and you particularly don't know if he is relevant to any debate about Eton, but hey, he seemed quite posh but nice.

Why leap in with an observation that even you don't know the point of?

 

[krtek a houby]

So you -- quite literally -- don't know what you are talking about on the subject. You knew a man once, is what your anecdote boils down to. You don't know anything about him, and you particularly don't know if he is relevant to any debate about Eton, but hey, he seemed quite posh but nice.

Why leap in with an observation that even you don't know the point of?

You don't like what I've posted; it doesn't fit your criteria so I should shut the fuck up. Gotcha.

 

[chilango]

Access to higher education is mostly based on grades, though, not what school you went to. In fact Bristol University attempted to do the opposite of what you suggest and discriminate in favour of comprehensive school candidates over private school candidates after recognising that the higher grades produced by private schools are a poor predictor of performance at higher education.

The thing the people sending their kids to selective schools will be looking for, as those who send their kids private do, is higher grades.

It's not about the grades.

 

[redsquirrel]

As I said, I imagine those do it for the love of their kids without any diabolical shit on those that can't afford it plan...

Whether they plan it or not that's the effect. Thatchers children.

 

[mauvais]

You knew a man once, is what your anecdote boils down to.

People have become Prime Minister on this ticket.

As I was going to St Ives
I met a 40 year old black man
He said, "there's too many immigrants in this country"
Chives.

 

[krtek a houby]

Whether they plan it or not that's the effect. Thatchers children.

But if you deny their right to send the kids to a particular school; then they'd become more reactive, I'm guessing.

 

[redsquirrel]

But if you deny their right to send the kids to a particular school; then they'd become more reactive, I'm guessing.

see here

 

[krtek a houby]

see here

And?

 

[redsquirrel]

And it answer's your (horrible) question.

 

[krtek a houby]

And it answer's your (horrible) question.

What horrible question? What the merry hell are you on about????

 

[redsquirrel]

What horrible question?

Sorry assumption,

But if you deny their right to send the kids to a particular school

(my emphasis)

 

[krtek a houby]

Sorry assumption,
(my emphasis)

Well, surely all parents have the right to chose how they wish their kids to be educated? Whether you or I like it or no?

It's like faith schools, I personlly disagree with them but we can't close them down, can we?

 

[Sue]

Well, surely all parents have the right to chose how they wish their kids to be educated? Whether you or I like it or no?

It's like faith schools, I personlly disagree with them but we can't close them down, can we?

Why not?

 

[krtek a houby]

Why not?

Religious freedoms (ironic description) or something like that? If you close down those schools, where do you draw the line? Close down synagogues, churches, mosques, temples?

 

[redsquirrel]

Well, surely all parents have the right to chose how they wish their kids to be educated? Whether you or I like it or no?

No some parents, currently, have ability to act in an anti-social manner.

 

[krtek a houby]

No some parents, currently, have ability to act in an anti-social manner.

Oh sure, yes. I don't doubt it. And where do their children end up being schooled, after being taken away?

 

[Sue]

Religious freedoms (ironic description) or something like that? If you close down those schools, where do you draw the line? Close down synagogues, churches, mosques, temples?

Nonsense. They manage to have synagogues, mosques and temples in countries where they don't have state run denominational schools.

 

[Idris2002]

Plenty of middle class wankers who weren't sent to them...

What can this mean?

 

[krtek a houby]

Nonsense. They manage to have synagogues, mosques and temples in countries where they don't have state run denominational schools.

Ok. Do you not think there would be a backlash if these schools were shut, though? And just to clarify; I am not religious in the slightest - I'm not particularly in favour of them.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Well, surely all parents have the right to chose how they wish their kids to be educated? Whether you or I like it or no?

It's like faith schools, I personlly disagree with them but we can't close them down, can we?

What does this mean? What are the alternatives on offer as a right to all parents? What are the mechanisms for choosing available as a right to all parents? It feels like an empty and distracting promise.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[krtek a houby]

What does this mean? What are the alternatives on offer as a right to all parents? What are the mechanisms for choosing available as a right to all parents? It feels like an empty and distracting promise.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

Ok, a socialist Govt should determine how and where children are educated, then.

 

[cantsin]

Well, surely all parents have the right to chose how they wish their kids to be educated? Whether you or I like it or no?

It's like faith schools, I personlly disagree with them but we can't close them down, can we?

we should definitely close all faith schools , disestablish the C of E, immediately remove the charitable status of private schools, before closing them down over a 5-10 yr period, whilst substantially reinvesting in State schools ( having bought Free + Academies back into local authority control - these LA's having been completely re hauled via local, directy democratic elections of instantly re-callable representatives ) .

All private school lands / playing fields / assets to be reallocated on shared basis to local peopoles schools, and strictly no bullying of the hog warts crew as they're integrated back into the real world ( their fambos will already be dealing with the expropriation / redistribution of 90 % minimum of their ill gained wealth / assets etc, and we need to keep it all nice / fluffy if poss) .