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Ah! But me and diamond have worked in The City. Not together, mind, I'd like to make that clear.I've worked in a city.
Jeremy Corbyn's time is up
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skyscraper101
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So it's unacceptable to criticise Corbyn's generalisations about "men" and "women" and childcare roles because there were more important things in his speech that the the media ignored?
Ha! Could be fun...
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Having worked around Temple for a long time the observations from my evening drinking is that lawyers like to go for a drinky after work and there is usually one older man and a bunch of middling aged folk and a smattering of juniors, all hanging off every word coming from old, fat man. Of course we have no way of knowing how many people wern't there cos they finished at 3 to pick the kids up etc.
J Ed
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Not just women either, also people of both genders who do not drink alcohol. I have gone for 'after work drinks' and enjoyed it but it isn't always optional. I have had jobs in workplaces where all the social activities (which it was necessary to attend if you wanted to advance) were based around very boozy nights. That makes things really difficult if you're, for example, Muslim or Mormon or especially if you are an alcoholic.
andysays
Love and solidarity
No, I haven't watched the video, I'm basing my description on the written story on the ITV website.
Maybe the detail contained there is incorrect, but neither that or any other little nitpicking can get round the fact that the story recounted there focusses on this minor point and completely ignores "Mr Corbyn's flagship 10 pledges [which] would advance gender equality for women, and tackle gendered violence and harassment", and which you have dismissed as being not important or significant policy announcements.
Obviously they're not important to you, and you're more interested in rubbishing his criticisms of the unfair networking opportunities available to men through an after-work drinks culture, just as you're seeking to dismiss my comment because I haven't watched the video.
I wonder why that might be...
Chances are that that older man is the sad, ageing partner with a booze problem, a wife that they don't want to go home to and zero influence among the wider partnership, in my experience.
You haven't read that story very closely, have you?
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
apologies for losing it earlier peoples
it's just that it's been such an interesting and enjoyable thread that has thrown up interesting ideas about how to judge corbyn and his policies.
And you get someone who only jumps in to poke at something peripheral and unimportant. Nothing about the major ideas like PQE to generate money to invest in the NHS and utilities and rail and housing and care for the elderly et al, along with improving the chances of the poor and women and other "minorities".
Just the meaningless shit that gets thrown up by the media in amongst the lies and distortions because they don't want to talk about the real issues ...
... but of course that's exactly what the thread's about
it's just that it's been such an interesting and enjoyable thread that has thrown up interesting ideas about how to judge corbyn and his policies.
And you get someone who only jumps in to poke at something peripheral and unimportant. Nothing about the major ideas like PQE to generate money to invest in the NHS and utilities and rail and housing and care for the elderly et al, along with improving the chances of the poor and women and other "minorities".
Just the meaningless shit that gets thrown up by the media in amongst the lies and distortions because they don't want to talk about the real issues ...
... but of course that's exactly what the thread's about
Wilf
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I'll leave a space here for other urbanites to supply the punchline:
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
After a few pints they'd be seeing double diamond
andysays
Love and solidarity
What are you suggesting I've missed and, more important, how does this relate to my overall point about the media reporting of JC?
Corbyn made the point explored above in the said speech/presentation/event, not at some after event drinks. It was not marginal.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
But nonetheless you see it as more markworthy that the substantial policy announcement. The attitude you've taken is a sexist attitude, which tbh is consonant with your orientalist frothing about the Kingsland Road mosque
billy_bob
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I was one of those originally making the 'it's a generalisation' argument against, and, having reconsidered my knee-jerk reaction and deleted my earlier post, I agree completely.
Clearly it's a complex picture these days depending on sector, nature and level of role, etc, and although my experience was never that the women in my workplace were less likely than the men to participate in and benefit from after-work drinks, that's anecdote, not data. Until I set up on my own, I hadn't worked full-time in a long time, and for at least 15 years had been in sectors where the majority of the workforce was women, and I was never at a very senior level. So obvs there are all kinds of scenarios nothing like mine.
How is it sexist?
andysays
Love and solidarity
And how does that relate to the wider point about the written story, and the headline, and the subsequent discussion here more-or-less ignoring Corbyn's actual policy announcements?
This is, to me, the important part of the issue - you're criticising Corbyn for not having any policy announcements, and completely missing the fact that these policies are being ignored by those reporting them, in favour of reporting relatively minor (though still significant) aspects.
skyscraper101
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There seems to be a suggestion here that Corbyn making some shit sweeping generalisation about "men" and "women" and childcare roles isn't up for discussion, because it wasn't part of the main focus of the speech. So calling him on anything other than the main body speech is 'sexist' ?
Riiiiight.
Riiiiight.
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Shadow cabinet elections bid 'not anti-Corbyn' - BBC News
Anyone here read the Eye's story on this in the most recent issue, btw...?
Anyone here read the Eye's story on this in the most recent issue, btw...?
I guess you mustn't have been invited.
It is being discussed. He's right.
quimcunx
imprimeo, lamino, distribuo
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Starry Wisdom
there are a number of formal and informal exclusionary practices in operation which serve to sideline women from participating in events which play an important part at work although ostensibly solely social. You do not see this as an issue and have indeed pooh-poohed it. The sidelining of women is a sexist issue; the denigrating of the topic is a sexist activity. '.you are being sexist
two sheds
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Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
That means you can't vote now
Just seen this on faceache -
No wonder youngsters can't be fucking arsed with it all, especially after this farcical fucking Labour shite!
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