Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[Diamond]

this is what the media *chose to report*. do you not understand that the media report things the way they want, not the way you want or indeed the way the people being reported on would like?

It's what he chose to speak to...

Are the media not supposed to report it?

Are they supposed to divine the true currents of policy that run deep below ludicrous statements about the "ethic" (that's the word he actually used our Jezza!) of after work drinks? The "ethic"...

 

[Pickman's model]

It's what he chose to speak to...

Are the media not supposed to report it?

Are they supposed to divine the true currents of policy that run deep below ludicrous statements about the "ethic" (that's the word he actually used our Jezza!) of after work drinks? The "ethic"...

there's a rather fuller report here Jeremy Corbyn calls to end after-work drinks

but the reporting of jeremy corbyn has been appalling over the past year, it's as though none of the papers or media like him must have passed you by, i suppose, all the stories like 'corbyn ruined christmas' etc etc. the thing is the media all have their own little agendas and for a change they pretty much all agree they dislike corbyn. that's why you get this shit reporting instead of them actually reporting what was going to be launched, the other measures he announced.

 

[two sheds]

It's what he chose to speak to...

Are the media not supposed to report it?

Are they supposed to divine the true currents of policy that run deep below ludicrous statements about the "ethic" (that's the word he actually used our Jezza!) of after work drinks? The "ethic"...

The report I saw said "culture" not ethic.

And you're seriously saying that he's made no other political comments this week than about this? Fuck me Diamond you've scraped the barrel on this thread, starting from the lies you repeated about the ludicrous train journey story. You're just coming in, taking a shit on the floor and leaving.

 

[Diamond]

The report I saw said "culture" not ethic.

And you're seriously saying that he's made no other political comments this week than about this? Fuck me Diamond you've scraped the barrel on this thread, starting from the lies you repeated about the ludicrous train journey story. You're just coming in, taking a shit on the floor and leaving.

Watch the video

 

[two sheds]

there's a rather fuller report here Jeremy Corbyn calls to end after-work drinks

Diamond - any comments on what he said on that video? About women and cuts to rape crisis centres for example? Or do you want to witter on about that peripheral and somewhat unimportant point?

 

[DotCommunist]

Belushi (RIP) said he spent the whole of 1997 telling people blair was more left-wing than he appeared.

yes he was quite self-deprecating about that. I can't talk, my first GE vote went to blair. The shame of it.

 

[Pickman's model]

Diamond - any comments on what he said on that video? About women and cuts to rape crisis centres for example? Or do you want to witter on about that peripheral and somewhat unimportant point?

he is Diamond so the answer is "the latter"

 

[Diamond]

Diamond - any comments on what he said on that video? About women and cuts to rape crisis centres for example? Or do you want to witter on about that peripheral and somewhat unimportant point?

The "peripheral and somewhat unimportant point" which he deemed important enough to speak directly about, you mean...?

This truly is absurd - no, some of what Jezza said should be ignored because it is clearly marginal and unimportant and he only spoke about it because, because er, er....?

 

[Diamond]

The problem with being a leader is that you are accountable for everything that you say and do.

Corbyn fans seem to have difficulty with this idea.

 

[Diamond]

In a way the fact that he talks about the ethic of after work drinks alongside two sheds', presumably, "central and important" points is almost worse - diminishing both by association...

 

[two sheds]

The "peripheral and somewhat unimportant point" which he deemed important enough to speak directly about, you mean...?

One statement out of a speech and the media pick it up and you pick on it to pretend it's important. He mentioned cuts affecting women and womens' rape crisis centres are they unimportant?
Your statement above that he said "nothing on opposing the government" was actually a lie wasn't it.

This truly is absurd - no, some of what Jezza said should be ignored because it is clearly marginal and unimportant and he only spoke about it because, because er, er....?

He mentioned it in passing. You truly are absurd, yes.

 

[Diamond]

And then there are all the questions about liberties and the tentacles of government - how are you supposed to go about this - by encouraging employers to police their employees' "early evening socialisation" backed up by government incentives and prospective sanctions...?

 

[two sheds]

Oh just fuck off Diamond. I'm polite to anyone who'll debate honestly but you're a nasty cunt aren't you. He makes one throw-away statement and you're blowing it up like it's important and he's a Stalinist.

Tell us again how it's ok for a lawyer to defraud his insurance company.

 

[Diamond]

Oh just fuck off Diamond. I'm polite to anyone who'll debate honestly but you're a nasty cunt aren't you. He makes one throw-away statement and you're blowing it up like it's important and he's a Stalinist.

Tell us again how it's ok for a lawyer to defraud his insurance company.

You're a vindictive individual who likes to make ad hominem arguments.

Your lookout but you're not convincing anyone with such mealy mouthed statements.

 

[Pickman's model]

In a way the fact that he talks about the ethic of after work drinks alongside two sheds', presumably, "central and important" points is almost worse - diminishing both by association...

so you don't see the informal marginalisation of women in organisations by their effective exclusion from socialising with colleagues as an issue.

not sure if i had you down as sexist before.

i do now.

 

[billy_bob]

I've deleted my earlier criticism of the comment re after work drinks. There are some people you just don't want to be anywhere near the same side of an argument as.

 

[kabbes]

He's right though.

Yeah, this seems to be getting lost in the noise. Fact 1: women take on a disproportionate amount of of housework, including childcare. Fact 2: if you have primary responsibility for children, it is difficult to take part in after-work activities.

 

[two sheds]

You're a vindictive individual who likes to make ad hominem arguments.

Your lookout but you're not convincing anyone with such mealy mouthed statements.

he said making an ad hominem argument

vindictive: "having or showing a strong or unreasoning desire for revenge.

lol

Why did you lie about what he said? Correct your lie and I'll respond

 

[andysays]

The "peripheral and somewhat unimportant point" which he deemed important enough to speak directly about, you mean...?

This truly is absurd - no, some of what Jezza said should be ignored because it is clearly marginal and unimportant and he only spoke about it because, because er, er....?

It's certainly "peripheral and somewhat unimportant" to the main part of the story, which we might hope would be about how

Mr Corbyn's flagship 10 pledges would advance gender equality for women, and tackle gendered violence and harassment.

But instead of that, the story ignores all of that actual political stuff which Corbyn is announcing and focuses almost entirely on a remark which he made at the after event drinks party, observing out that an after-work drinks culture can discriminate against women (and perhaps therefore pointing out the irony of doing things that way?)

And here you come, blundering in and attacking Corbyn for not making the sort of statements you think he should be making and utterly missing the way that his policy announcements and other statements are downplayed every time they're reported (see also, eg, the stuff about arts funding the other day) in favour of finding something relatively minor they can focus on and try to rubbish him with.

You fucking plum...

 

[quimcunx]

Yeah, this seems to be getting lost in the noise. Fact 1: women take on a disproportionate amount of of housework, including childcare. Fact 2: if you have primary responsibility for children, it is difficult to take part in after-work activities.

And if you work part-time you are less likely to be at work at 'clocking off and going to the pub' time anyway.

 

[killer b]

Yeah, this seems to be getting lost in the noise. Fact 1: women take on a disproportionate amount of of housework, including childcare. Fact 2: if you have primary responsibility for children, it is difficult to take part in after-work activities.

Friends who've had jobs in the city tell me participating in post-work drinks is necessary if you want to get anywhere. It's a total no-brainer that this discriminates against women.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

Yeah, this seems to be getting lost in the noise. Fact 1: women take on a disproportionate amount of of housework, including childcare. Fact 2: if you have primary responsibility for children, it is difficult to take part in after-work activities.

Yes. Whatever you think of this particular argument (and he has a point IMO although clearly people aren't about to stop any time soon) 'it's a generalisation' is a terrible argument against. Any argument based on such large populations is necessarily a generalisation but it doesn't mean it's not valid. Some women earn shit loads of money for example.

 

[Wilf]

Friends who've had jobs in the city tell me participating in post-work drinks is necessary if you want to get anywhere. It's a total no-brainer that this discriminates against women.

I think if we were having this discussion 15-20 years ago it would be a simple no brainer. Nowadays it's a complex no brainer. Work patterns have altered, people do family life in different ways, but the points made by kabbes are every bit as much in play.

 

[Pickman's model]

once again diamond does his part to draw disparate urbanites together

 

[Diamond]

It's certainly "peripheral and somewhat unimportant" to the main part of the story, which we might hope would be about how

But instead of that, the story ignores all of that actual political stuff which Corbyn is announcing and focuses almost entirely on a remark which he made at the after event drinks party, observing out that an after-work drinks culture can discriminate against women (and perhaps therefore pointing out the irony of doing things that way?)

And here you come, blundering in and attacking Corbyn for not making the sort of statements you think he should be making and utterly missing the way that his policy announcements and other statements are downplayed every time they're reported (see also, eg, the stuff about arts funding the other day) in favour of finding something relatively minor they can focus on and try to rubbish him with.

You fucking plum...

You haven't watched the video, have you?

 

[Diamond]

Friends who've had jobs in the city tell me participating in post-work drinks is necessary if you want to get anywhere. It's a total no-brainer that this discriminates against women.

I have worked in the City and this is grade A bollocks.

e2a - but why is this about the "City" anyway...? Jezza makes no such distinction

 

[Diamond]

But let's just recap here - this is peripheral and unimportant but, in the alternative, despite the fact that it is a massively broad generalisation that obscures modern gender roles in the workplace (e2a - and at home), it still gets to some really, really important home truths. And, finally, there were drinks associated with it anyway so it was a cute piece of irony...

 

[Pickman's model]

I have worked in the City and this is grade A bollocks.

e2a - but why is this about the "City" anyway...? Jezza makes no such distinction

I too have worked in the city and it's true

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

I've worked in a city.

 

[Pickman's model]

But let's just recap here - this is peripheral and unimportant but, in the alternative, despite the fact that it is a massively broad generalisation that obscures modern gender roles in the workplace (e2a - and at home), it still gets to some really, really important home truths. And, finally, there were drinks associated with it anyway so it was a cute piece of irony...

There's no argument you won't get on the wrong side of, is there