Random thought of the day: Smith's leadership tactic is an inversion of strategy for the party. For the leadership he's cynically steering leftwards, assuming all the Blairites and assorted right wingers in the party will still vote for him. For the general election he'll offer warmed up Blairism to the middle classes, hoping he'll still get enough working class voters to sneak a victory. Neither of these strategies will work.
the base his sort took for granted have had a fucking gutful. There's all that is to it imo. The liberal middle classes will vote for financial stability and be fucking thick enough to think tories are safe hands. Yeah. Safe enough if you can pay for what has been cut in terms of public services. Fuck them anyway, more of us than they here.
who should the liberal middle classes vote for?
I don't believe in voting very strongly so they must go with their conscience, pauce as it may be
you seemed to be saying they'd be thick for voting Tory, but if that's in line with their interests it's not really stupid. It's pretty mad to see Labour as safe hands too. Look what they've done for us.
So do you have to work with your hands and not to have done A levels to be working class?
in the intrests of old money. New money can sink or swim.
Tories have got a wider base than old money and they have that base for good reasons - it's not stupidity.
working class is a dirty word in US politics. Blue collar is the phrase but I can't recall the last time I saw it. I mean no rudeness here but class definitions are very obvios from the lower rung. If you have to ask...
It's why I phrased it as I did before, wage slaves. I don't want to turn this into one of those silly conversations about personal situations, silly american tried that on me last weekend elsewhere.
'by hand and by brain'
hang on, are we talking about the liberal middle classes or the working class?
whereas Owen 'get ISIS round the table' Smith will have the Tories on the ropes...?
I am inclined to agree with the Paul Mason piece 'The sound of Blairite silence' that killer b posted a link to. Cometh the hour Smith will turn out to be the fall guy.
you mean that they'd put forward yet another challenger after this? but who? they couldn't come up with an effective candidate to stand against him when Corbyn first became leader, and the pool of possible contenders isn't looking any better now as far as I can see. They've tried from the right and failed, they're failing from the left now. It's a strange strategy if they are trying that
Have a read of the piece. Form your own opinion, to me it looks to be fairly plausible.you mean that they'd put forward yet another challenger after this? but who? they couldn't come up with an effective candidate to stand against him when Corbyn first became leader, and the pool of possible contenders isn't looking any better now as far as I can see. They've tried from the right and failed, they're failing from the left now. It's a strange strategy if they are trying that
With a big paternity/maternity fight for the assets and who is the real inheritor to the history.
you think desperation/short termism?
