jakethesnake
In bed for Britain
Can you point to something that Corbyn has said or done that shows him to be egotistical please.
Jeremy Corbyn's time is up
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timeforanother
Cynic, and loves it when people are just lovely.
Labour under JC are polling not far behind the Tories, even when there are so many fellow members (cock joke too) trying to pull the party apart.
People want something better than bureaucrats and neocons.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
They're polling miles behind the tories. They would be under any leader. Because they're rubbish.
19force8
For the avoidance of faith
Two stories in the Indie.
Respect has deregistered: Why the end of Respect could spark a new crisis for Jeremy Corbyn
Khan teeing up for the leadership in 2020? How Sadiq Khan positioned himself as future Labour leader
Respect has deregistered: Why the end of Respect could spark a new crisis for Jeremy Corbyn
Khan teeing up for the leadership in 2020? How Sadiq Khan positioned himself as future Labour leader
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
You, you think with another labour leader that the political front the Tories do for capital, would be blunted. Capital would stop? This naivety is what has got the labour party in the trouble it is.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
so - pray tell - under what leader and with which policies would labour do better then they are with Corbyn?
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Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
The respect article is dismal specaulative puff. Is there any talk of galloway being readmitted? i cant see any clamour for that to happen.
I don't think Smith is having his strings pulled by the Blairites. He's just an ambitious egotist who's been punting himself as the acceptable face of the left since last summer, and decided to have a go once the coup got under way.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
He came along to a regional union meeting I was at and I thought he was a wanker
andysays
Love and solidarity
What's "bonkers" is the way various people are trotting out the idea that keeping Corbyn as leader now means he will still be leader at the next GE, and the unexamined assertion that the LP under his leadership then would automatically lose, whereas under a different leader* they will immediately turn things around and win.
There may be arguments to be made for this point of view, but you, Andrew Hertford and the various others aren't actually making them, you're just repeating the assertion like some article of holy dogma and it's convincing no one.
*Smith? - I can't see it myself but try to persuade us; someone else? suggest who and attempt to explain how they will so much more successful than you think Corbyn will be
Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
Is that his 'The Sound of Blairite Silence' from a few days ago?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Yes.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
He won't; he won't win.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
it is funny watching them wrestle with that fact. Well the nato phonetic alphabet and british love of bad words has this guidance: foxtrot oscar
timeforanother
Cynic, and loves it when people are just lovely.
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I don't think Respect got much, and the BB thing, that it was hard to avoid, killed it forever. Fabulous George?Ah, The Indie showing its usual accomplished grasp of modern party politics.
timeforanother
Cynic, and loves it when people are just lovely.
Sadly I see now domesticated ex swap shoppers thinking Sadiq is lovely.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
took a labour safe seat in bradford west 2012. Long after his ill judged BB outing. Admittedly their were circumstances that made it unusual but it still happened. With the bearded rape apologist still in charge
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Fabulous George Formby.
Gorgeous George Galloway.
You don't know your Georges, do you.
timeforanother
Cynic, and loves it when people are just lovely.
I think I have seen him called such, but I offer you this in return. Because you are probably right about the names in general usage.
coley
Well-Known Member
I'd like it better hanging up outside an apaches wigwam!
coley
Well-Known Member
The ones who won't dump them in the Shyte post the next election.
coley
Well-Known Member
Aye? And if we have a Blairite labour Govt? The difference atween them and the Tories would be about the same dimensions as a Rizzlas tab paper!
Far better to grit our teeth and endure until we have a proper democratic socialist alternative!
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Yes. Far better to have leadership election after leadership election to show how the party respects democracy.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
Scottish Labour leader backs Owen Smith against Jeremy Corbyn
He's fucked now. If there's anyone who knows about winning elections it's the leader of Scottish Labour.
He's fucked now. If there's anyone who knows about winning elections it's the leader of Scottish Labour.
andysays
Love and solidarity
Interesting (or maybe not) that she too is simply repeating the "anyone but Corbyn" believers' mantra
And if Kezia says she believes it, then obviously we all will too
newbie
undisambiguated
If May sticks with the existing timetable, when the Boundary Commission reports in 2018 all the cards will be thrown up in the air and every MP will have to fight for selection for a 2020 GE. All the parties will have 12-18 months to form new constituency organisations out of the existing arrangements, with horsetrading for every position, from chair to ppc. Until it becomes clear where the pinch points will be, every sitting MP has to prepare to fight their neighbours (and allcomers?) for a seat. If/when that happens any MP who isn't well supported will be toast, and they know it.
So the anti Corbyn lot are caught: split now, and spend the next couple of years building a whole new shortterm constituency party and apparatus, as well as collectively trying to assemble national brand, image and presentation (and policies, if they matter). Or don't and... what? With continuing strong opposition in most local, now pro-Corbyn, constituency parties they face a long wait for inevitable career change.
Once the silly season is over, and the party conference has clarified the new balance of forces, many of them will see a pressing need to get their ducks in a row. Mass reconciliation before xmas?
So the anti Corbyn lot are caught: split now, and spend the next couple of years building a whole new shortterm constituency party and apparatus, as well as collectively trying to assemble national brand, image and presentation (and policies, if they matter). Or don't and... what? With continuing strong opposition in most local, now pro-Corbyn, constituency parties they face a long wait for inevitable career change.
Once the silly season is over, and the party conference has clarified the new balance of forces, many of them will see a pressing need to get their ducks in a row. Mass reconciliation before xmas?
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nino_savatte
No pasaran!
All we need now is for Jim Murphy (has anyone seen him since he lost?) to come out for Owen Smith.
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