Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[killer b]

Even someone with a cursory familiarity with Gramsci's concept of hegemony and Bourdieu's concept of symbolic violence wouldn't suggest that I was telling someone that they were the "brainwashed dupes of capital". Instead, they would see it for what it is: the embodiment of a narrative.



This is a constant theme and it's repeated by the Labour right, media commentators and yes, posters like Cwmflame and the departed LeslieB ad infinitum/ad tedium/ad nauseum. It is indicative of an internalisation of the "Labour out of power for a generation if Corbyn remains as leader of the party" narrative.

do you think the posts on this thread are an effective way of challenging this narrative?

 

[DrRingDing]

I'm honestly not trying to troll. I know this has got out of hand and I probably should have cut my losses pages ago, but I was genuinely only trying to point out that Smith isn't lying when he says he's from the valleys. I've answered sincerely, generally without attacking since, but I do have a problem 'letting it go'.

But he is a billy bullshitter. An ambitious, opportunistic, salesman that is far more suited to hawking viagra than spearheading radical political change within the labour party.

 

[Plumdaff]

I'm honestly not trying to troll. I know this has got out of hand and I probably should have cut my losses pages ago, but I was genuinely only trying to point out that Smith isn't lying when he says he's from the valleys. I've answered sincerely, generally without attacking since, but I do have a problem 'letting it go'.

And regarding my lack of activity, I have never interacted on a forum before, as is probably evident. I do enjoy reading this one though, and access it must days, as broadly speaking I share the views on here.

Tbh the reason I didn't think he could possibly be from Ponty (and I stand corrected) was his utter bullshit about Italian cafes and 'fancy coffees' when even this English incomer knows fine well of the long Welsh Italian tradition. It just smacked of utter incompetent crap, and really fucking patronising of that locality. Yeah, no one in the Valleys knows what a cappuccino is, have to go to those fancy Pontcanna places for that. Fuck right off.


And that's before we even consider the politics and the leadership bid.

 

[Ranbay]

Tbh the reason I didn't think he could possibly be from Ponty (and I stand corrected) was his utter bullshit about Italian cafes and 'fancy coffees' when even this English incomer knows fine well of the long Welsh Italian tradition. It just smacked of utter incompetent crap, and really fucking patronising of that locality. Yeah, no one in the Valleys knows what a cappuccino is, have to go to those fancy Pontcanna places for that. Fuck right off.


And that's before we even consider the politics and the leadership bid.

 

[Plumdaff]

Hasn't she usually got foxier glasses than that?

 

[treelover]

Cwmflame
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Good grief scraping the barrel, its nearly twenty years ago!

 

[treelover]

Derby, lunch time rally

 

[Cwmflame]

Tbh the reason I didn't think he could possibly be from Ponty (and I stand corrected) was his utter bullshit about Italian cafes and 'fancy coffees' when even this English incomer knows fine well of the long Welsh Italian tradition. It just smacked of utter incompetent crap, and really fucking patronising of that locality. Yeah, no one in the Valleys knows what a cappuccino is, have to go to those fancy Pontcanna places for that. Fuck right off.


And that's before we even consider the politics and the leadership bid.

Before this exchange it's the first I heard of the coffee remarks. From reading the article, I think though he was trying to show just how often he goes to Princes in ponty (which does sell frothy coffee, for what it's worth). But I take the point that he was deliberately playing up to his roots.

 

[Cwmflame]

As an interesting aside (to me anyway), and sorry for indulging myself. I've just been made a community member, and reading the Jonathan Bishop thread, someone who I had a run in with years ago, he quotes the newspaper article where I was questioned about the Iraq protests.

This is not a setup I promise.

 

[Pickman's model]

Good grief scraping the barrel, its nearly twenty years ago!

And it doesn't say what they claim

 

[DrRingDing]

Before this exchange it's the first I heard of the coffee remarks. From reading the article, I think though he was trying to show just how often he goes to Princes in ponty (which does sell frothy coffee, for what it's worth). But I take the point that he was deliberately playing up to his roots.

Have you read this.... What Owen Smith's Attempt at Being 'Normal' Tells Us About the State of Politics | VICE | United Kingdom

It had me and OT in tears but the serious point is he looks down on normal people. His current political position is just that. Zero conviction. Fuck all integrity.

 

[killer b]

It's upthread somewhere. I quite like Sam kriss, but he needs an editor. And he's ever so keen to let you know all the books he's read.

 

[Cwmflame]

Have you read this.... What Owen Smith's Attempt at Being 'Normal' Tells Us About the State of Politics | VICE | United Kingdom

It had me and OT in tears but the serious point is he looks down on normal people. His current political position is just that. Zero conviction. Fuck all integrity.

I get the point of the article (It's not exactly subtle), but the reference to the mug and the biscuits in the original article is Smith pointing out he's a regular, and only being treated differently because there are Londoners in the cafe. It's patronising for different reasons

 

[killer b]

I bet he has a cursory familiarity with Gramsci's concept of hegemony and Bourdieu's concept of symbolic violence, for example.

 

[Sue]

I bet he has a cursory familiarity with Gramsci's concept of hegemony and Bourdieu's concept of symbolic violence, for example.

Who hasn't..?

 

[Sirena]

Jess Phillips somehow manages to conflate a million things and obliquely find Jeremy Corbyn responsible for Jo Cox's death....

No, that's unfair but I bet that's how many will read it.....

Labour MP Jess Phillips installing 'panic room' at office following threats

 

[coley]

have you got one of those water tanks halfway up the wall and chain pull flush shitters? I haven't 'enjoyed' the use of one of those for ages

And is it outside at the bottom of the yard, next to the coal hoose

 

[DaveCinzano]

DIRTY BASTARD

Corbyn joins seatless commuters on floor for three-hour train journey

 

[coley]

A sober article assessing the data about Labour's polling and elections results. Short version: Labour under Corbyn are doing poorly but not half as badly as Corbyn's detractors claim. The article possibly needs to be more sceptical about polls in general, but I thought the Rallings-Thacker thing assessing the local election results was interesting or at least fun (I don't know about it's validity).

These polls thingymigigs, didn't they predict a vote for remain in some referendum or other aye bliddy infallible they are.

 

[coley]

I'm honestly not trying to troll. I know this has got out of hand and I probably should have cut my losses pages ago, but I was genuinely only trying to point out that Smith isn't lying when he says he's from the valleys. I've answered sincerely, generally without attacking since, but I do have a problem 'letting it go'.

And regarding my lack of activity, I have never interacted on a forum before, as is probably evident. I do enjoy reading this one though, and access it must days, as broadly speaking I share the views on here.

Don't give up, most will give you the benefit of the doubt, but your position is not unlike thon poor Greek forever condemned to pushing a rock uphill.
Smiths a wriggly little opportunist.

 

[timeforanother]

Don't give up, most will give you the benefit of the doubt, but your position is not unlike thon poor Greek forever condemned to pushing a rock uphill.
Smiths a wriggly little opportunist.

I'm not sure if he/she actually said anything positive about him. Nothing against him either though. Difficult to keep track on this thread. It isn't wrong to come from the same part of the UK.

 

[coley]

Have you read this.... What Owen Smith's Attempt at Being 'Normal' Tells Us About the State of Politics | VICE | United Kingdom

It had me and OT in tears but the serious point is he looks down on normal people. His current political position is just that. Zero conviction. Fuck all integrity.

Fair point, and it's amusing, but " coffeegate" ? There are more substantial points, already pointed out that he can be nailed on.

 

[killer b]

These polls thingymigigs, didn't they predict a vote for remain in some referendum or other aye bliddy infallible they are.

a few predicted the result we got (ICM I think?), and all were within the margin of error.

 

[coley]

Have you read this.... What Owen Smith's Attempt at Being 'Normal' Tells Us About the State of Politics | VICE | United Kingdom

It had me and OT in tears but the serious point is he looks down on normal people. His current political position is just that. Zero conviction. Fuck all integrity.

With very few exceptions, 'they' all look down on ordinary people, that's why Corbyn is different, and why he is in a unique position to upset the status quo, hence the unified hostility from all quarters of the 'establishment'

 

[coley]

Who hasn't..?

Err, me

 

[coley]

It's upthread somewhere. I quite like Sam kriss, but he needs an editor. And he's ever so keen to let you know all the books he's read.

He could fit neatly on here then

 

[coley]

a few predicted the result we got (ICM I think?), and all were within the margin of error.

I'll take your word for it

 

[Sue]

Err, me

 

[timeforanother]

With very few exceptions, 'they' all look down on ordinary people, that's why Corbyn is different, and why he is in a unique position to upset the status quo, hence the unified hostility from all quarters of the 'establishment'

He has changed the whole discussion on the left to be so much less preachy. I have my disagreements, but his whole gang are a breath of breath of fresh air, and the popularity seems to have made them much less insular.

 

[killer b]

I'll take your word for it

I don't understand what the weird winking smiley is for.