Jeremy Corbyn's time is up
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maomao
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Guardian says there were 5,000 people there. Let's assume they were lying and be generous and say there were 15,000. Population of Liverpool is 466,000. Assuming that 15,000 people came and they were all from Liverpool itself rather than its many satellite towns and you've got about 0.3% of the population. Be less generous and you're looking at 0.1-0.2%. A fraction of a fraction.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
and thats liverpool, a place known for its sympathy and ear for labour left/social democrat style politics
There will plenty from the Wirral, Skem, etc, but so there were in the mass rallies of the 80's, the famous Militant one outside the Town Hall was about as big, its what the numbers represent.
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I remember Blair and Campbell did similar maths after the 2 million anti-war march in 2003.
NOTE: This is not an endorsement of Corbyn. The Fuck Brigade are not Corbynistas.
YouSir
Retired from Urban
In an internal leadership campaign those numbers bolster his current support and undermine his opposition, morale building stuff. I agree with some people saying they don't mean that much in a wider context though, both sides are getting obsessed with that aspect of things. More important focuses tbh, as far as both internal and wider struggles go.
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The media, in short. Us politicos often make the mistake assuming everyone else is focused on what we are. When you're not actively cross checking the deception, lies and agendas in the media the level of bile Corbyn is under will have a greater impact on his appearance in many peoples minds.
NOTE: This is not an endorsement of Corbyn. The Fuck Brigade are not Corbynistas.
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Nor are many (most?) Of the posters in politics tbf. You can post without caveats.
So are you saying that if it wasn't for the media Corbyn would be wildly popular?
And if that is the case, why don't you support him (on the basis that you seem to be saying you're not deceived by the media)?
Maybe all these other people don't support him for similar reasons?
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He would be rating higher in the polls than he is now. That is fair to assume.
NOTE: This is not an endorsement of Corbyn. The Fuck Brigade are not Corbynistas.
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The Labour Party.
Consistently cunts.
NOTE: This is not an endorsement of Corbyn. The Fuck Brigade are not Corbynistas.
I expect there's a fair number of people who share that view without needing the media to tell them
30 to 40 years of swimming in a neoliberal sea mean that many take it for granted that the basic philosophy of neoliberalism is synonymous with freedom and good moral fibre. When you argue for even the smallest step towards centralisation or wealth redistribution, you are competing with these ingrained assumptions. This was Thatcher's great triumph.
Most of my friends who work in middle management or professional roles have no intent to accumulate wealth or power away from the disenfranchised but they react even to concepts such as rent controls (that affect them not one jot as they are neither tenant nor landlord) as if Stalin himself had come back from the dead. That's because they provide a challenge to the inherent neoliberal narrative of society.
If Ed Milliband could be viewed as a socialist, how does this middle Englander view Corbyn?
The important thing to realise is that none of that is helped by having a Labour leader to the right of Corbyn. In fact, the succession of Kinnock, Blair, Brown and Milliband actually simply reinforced that the neoliberal narrative is the right one and so helped to prevent future Labour governments once the Tories had managed to throw off their socially hard right shackles.
The only way to achieve anything is to accept that maybe Corbyn can't win but is still the best choice anyway. Society changes only once certain ideas take hold and that only happens once the window of acceptable debate is driven towards those ideas. One side chasing the middle ground does nothing but shift the middle ground itself. Only once left-leaning ideas are seen as natural rather than extreme will it be realistic for a left-leaning party to be elected.
Most of my friends who work in middle management or professional roles have no intent to accumulate wealth or power away from the disenfranchised but they react even to concepts such as rent controls (that affect them not one jot as they are neither tenant nor landlord) as if Stalin himself had come back from the dead. That's because they provide a challenge to the inherent neoliberal narrative of society.
If Ed Milliband could be viewed as a socialist, how does this middle Englander view Corbyn?
The important thing to realise is that none of that is helped by having a Labour leader to the right of Corbyn. In fact, the succession of Kinnock, Blair, Brown and Milliband actually simply reinforced that the neoliberal narrative is the right one and so helped to prevent future Labour governments once the Tories had managed to throw off their socially hard right shackles.
The only way to achieve anything is to accept that maybe Corbyn can't win but is still the best choice anyway. Society changes only once certain ideas take hold and that only happens once the window of acceptable debate is driven towards those ideas. One side chasing the middle ground does nothing but shift the middle ground itself. Only once left-leaning ideas are seen as natural rather than extreme will it be realistic for a left-leaning party to be elected.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
the reaction to iron corbz mild soc/dem old labour stuff by the meeja has been fairly mental. And they went to town on milliband ffs, this stuff is just off the hook
rioted
redundant
Perhaps other people haven't got the same discriminating attitude to the mentally ill as you? He may be a nutter but that doesn't mean he has nothing to contribute.
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That's true...he still doesn't though.
That's true, but in his specific case he does actually have nothing to contribute.
do fuck off.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Are we now referring to university as 'college'? If we're not careful, people will soon be using the American expression 'school' to refer to university. Nevertheless, it would appear that you've also bought into the well-worn trope (much loved by the Right and especially Corbyn's detractors) that Corbyn's supporters are composed mainly of university students. Students will attend rallies outside of term time too. The idea that they only do so during term-time is quite frankly silly.
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andysays
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It shouldn't be necessary to point out that the article you've quoted from is not about them turning away new members, it's about them rejecting (for a variety of reasons, some more justfied than others perhaps) people attempting to sign up as supporters in order to vote in the leadership election.
I hope that on reflection you can recognise the difference between these two things and therefore reconsider the validity of your claims of a "death-wish".
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