Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[mauvais]

That's true; there's an argument to be made that running a surplus can actually cause a recession.

Even simpler than that - any good capitalist understands 'speculate to accumulate'.

Or the only slightly more nuanced tactic of borrowing from someone who will never be in a position to demand repayment

 

[andysays]

I'm pretty sure Corbyn has said somewhere he's going to open policymaking to the party membership, so more people can have a say on it. Plenty of time (4 years) until the next election to sort it.

He's not even prepared to take responsibility for coming up with his own policies, the monster !!1!

 

[Bernie Gunther]

<snip>

Fundamentally, Tory governments tend to be terrible at managing the economy because they are ideologically driven towards free market fundamentalism, supply-side management and trickle-down economics -- three things shown time and again to be nonsense both theoretically and in practice.

I think it would be a very good thing for any progressive version of Labour to focus on getting this message across to the general public.

 

[brogdale]

I think it would be a very good thing for any progressive version of Labour to focus on getting this message across to the general public.

Yep, and continue to identify the ideology, processes and impacts of neoliberalism in concrete terms as the source of working people's problems. The fact that the many vermin have attempted to close down discourse about neoliberalism by casting the term as the habitat of conspiraloons is proof that Corbyn is on to something.

 

[ViolentPanda]

amazingly it seems like everyone is terrible at managing the economy. I wonder why?

Because management is inimical to the function of a free market economy, and even a mixed economy is a difficult beast to manage, because of inherent tensions between different modes of operation.

 

[ViolentPanda]

So they can share in a little bit of the blame then.

I haven't said they shouldn't.

 

[treelover]

The media can't ignore this, can they?

 

[inva]

Because management is inimical to the function of a free market economy, and even a mixed economy is a difficult beast to manage, because of inherent tensions between different modes of operation.

its not inimical in the way Tories mean the free market. they love a bit of management.

anyway its capitalism and you can't manage away crisis

 

[existentialist]

The media can't ignore this, can they?

Yep. They can.

 

[ViolentPanda]

The media can't ignore this, can they?

Nice wide shot to make sure the crowd looks smaller.

Cunts.

 

[squirrelp]

Really powerful stuff today from Corbyn. "Rip-off Britain".

This is such a dangerous narrative for the establishment. We have to have austerity, 'live within our means', look after the 'wealth creators'... of course we cannot have suggestions that the people themselves are actually wealth creators and they are being increasingly stolen from...

 

[killer b]

The media can't ignore this, can they?

I was wondering where you'd got to. Can't have big crowd shots all over twitter without you demanding why the media aren't covering it.

 

[killer b]

Anyway, this is an excellent response to jones' questions.

Questions one Jeremy Corbyn supporter tries to address (for Owen Jones) | Wounded Thinker

 

[Hocus Eye.]

I don't know if my computer is set up wrongly but I see no images at all in treelover's recent posts.
somebody please advise

 

[inva]

I don't know if my computer is set up wrongly but I see no images at all in treelover's recent posts.
somebody please advise

are you running the ghostery extension and is it blocking facebook social plugin or something like that? if so, try unblocking it and reload the page.

 

[killer b]

There aren't any, just a video from Liverpool this evening of corbo addressing a rally of about 10,000 people

 

[Hocus Eye.]

There aren't any, just a video from Liverpool this evening of corbo addressing a rally of about 10,000 people

There is no video on my page.

 

[killer b]

TL only posts stuff from facebook, I dunno if you'd have problems seeing content from there?

 

[fnord]

I voted for Corbyn. I don't think he has covered himself in glory over the past few months and was virtually absent on the eu debate. This has possibly cost a lot of remain votes. His time is up. He should go. Give the party time to elect a leader and sort themselves out before the next election.

You're getting your news from the wrong sources.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

Anyway, this is an excellent response to jones' questions.

Questions one Jeremy Corbyn supporter tries to address (for Owen Jones) | Wounded Thinker

Probably the most reasonable and clear headed assessment I've read from anyone regarding all this. I wish I could put it like that because virtually everything he says is what I think only I'm far too angry to be so calm about it but I'm glad there's someone like that who can be calm because it dismisses the notion that all of Corbyn's supporters are bullies etc.

 

[editor]

Immense turnout

 

[steveo87]

Four times Owen Smith has made sexist comments

I may be slow on the uptake, but who with the PLP decided it would be a good idea to put OS up for leadership?

I've just read an article about his 'gaffes' in the Statesman, and it seems to me his political career has essentially steering himself to one embarrament to another - a bit like Joe Biden, but less endearing.

My point is that, despite it all, somebody in the PLP went "Right, we need some one who'll bring the part together, enhance our ability to win votes, and ultimately win us the election - I know, we'll get the bloke who used to on the Today programme."


Also, where the fuck has Hilary Benn gone?
I've seen more of Farrage since the 'Coup'.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

I think Benn and the other 'heirs apparent' are staying the fuck out of it while their mates try to orchestrate an electoral disaster to bring these inconvenient popular moves to the left to an end.

 

[The39thStep]

Don't know if this has already been posted but this is in my opinion is a far more perceptive and wider reaching analysis by John Cruddas than the Owen Jones article.

The mortal threat to Labour

 

[kabbes]

Don't know if this has already been posted but this is in my opinion is a far more perceptive and wider reaching analysis by John Cruddas than the Owen Jones article.

The mortal threat to Labour

Eugh, wall o' text. The man needs to learn to use paragraphs.

 

[brogdale]

Don't know if this has already been posted but this is in my opinion is a far more perceptive and wider reaching analysis by John Cruddas than the Owen Jones article.

The mortal threat to Labour

I really don't think it is very perceptive to claim that "The closest historical parallel with this situation lies not in Westminster but in Berlin in 1918..."

And subbing his piece "The party is losing touch with the working class..", Cruddas then appears to endorse the leadership candidate committed to blocking Brexit and insisting on a 2nd ratifying referendum.

Wank.

 

[mauvais]

Eugh, wall o' text. The man needs to learn to use paragraphs.

Too dense; didn't read: Corbyn is proto-Hitler.

 

[butchersapron]

Eugh, wall o' text. The man needs to learn to use paragraphs.

He did, whoever took that from the FT doesn't.

 

[Pickman's model]

I really don't think it is very perceptive to claim that "The closest historical parallel with this situation lies not in Westminster but in Berlin in 1918..."

And subbing his piece "The party is losing touch with the working class..", Cruddas then appears to endorse the leadership candidate committed to blocking Brexit and insisting on a 2nd ratifying referendum.

Wank.

my understanding was that sub-editors were employed to do the er subbing while journalists and other authors wrote the articles. is jon cruddas now a subbie at the financial times (famously found btw by that great chancer and fraudster horatio bottomley)?

 

[brogdale]

my understanding was that sub-editors were employed to do the er subbing while journalists and other authors wrote the articles. is jon cruddas now a subbie at the financial times (famously found btw by that great chancer and fraudster horatio bottomley)?

Yes; I wasn't concentrating enough...missed that it was lifted from the FT...thought it was his own/sanctioned blog.
Anyways...the same criticism stands from the actual text; Cruddas says that "It is telling that as the working class reasserted the primacy of parliament by voting to Leave..." and then appears to endorse Owen '2nd referendum' Smith.