Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[agricola]

BBC News ticker - "Jeremy Corbyn welcomes a High Court decision to throw out a bid to overturn his automatic inclusion on the party's leadership ballot despite lacking the required support of his MPs".

 

[two sheds]

Foster has to pay his+labours costs. Looks like Corbyn has to pay his own.

Strange - is that because Corbyn added his name to the suit (although I don't see why that would change things)?

 

[DotCommunist]

this is of course more evidence of corbyn's rampant stalinism

 

[butchersapron]

Strange - is that because Corbyn added his name to the suit (although I don't see why that would change things)?

He had separate representation - due largely i would suspect to - correctly - not trusting Mcnichol. Corbyn's lot submitted papers outlining why in their application to be accepted as co-defendants. Why that would mean he didn't have the same treatment after that i don't know.

 

[Wilf]

Foster has wasted his time and the court's time. What a squalid, self-obsessed little shitcunt.

Cheeky cunt:

After the three legal teams thanked the judge, Foster’s lawyer began a long discussion with the judge on the issue of costs.

(grauniad)

 

[butchersapron]

I think i've read it wrong actually - i think Foster must pay Corbyn's costs as well.

 

[two sheds]

Goodoh

 

[agricola]

Cheeky cunt: (grauniad)

I suppose when you are paid by the hour, any discussion will be a long one.

 

[existentialist]

How long before Owen Smith stands down? Let's say for health reasons or something else he comes up with and the circus of the leadership elections re-start with a couple of more senior names in the frame.

The only way I could see him as a softening-up act would be in favour of someone really special. You know, wheel Gordon Brown, Ed (or David) Milliband out, that kind of thing. Maybe Peter Mandelson could come back from Beyond The Grave. It's the only step they can take if they want to keep upping the farce ante.

 

[mauvais]

no need to be like that about it.
what would a rebalanced economy look like? maybe this isn't the thread for it, but I think it would be very difficult to achieve. I don't know that the methods used to tie people in to Labour in the past are open to them now.

It would probably look a bit more like Germany, FWIW. Bit late now of course. And no, the old structures are toast in favour of individualism, but that wasn't the question - it was how to appeal to people in (say) northern satellite towns. So invest in deprived areas a la EU regional development, flawed as it may have been, whilst reconfiguring the national economy (subsidies, taxes, legislation, infrastructure, public spending) to encourage something other than banking.

It's far from impossible - for example Nissan didn't pitch up to Sunderland of its own accord, and JLR didn't make a success of its Midlands operations without a lot of supporting preconditions. Not nearly enough, but a pattern. So form and properly articulate such policy, believably so, and then we'll see whether it wins votes in such places. Sounds like a bit too much like hard work though.

 

[squirrelp]

Costs awarded to both defendants against Foster.

 

[brogdale]

Costs awarded to both defendants against Foster.

**Warning, the link below is to the Daily Mail!**
Excellent. Will it be the Primrose Hill gaff or the Cornish mansion that has to go?

You c***. If you pick on me again I will destroy you.’

 

[Wilf]

How long before Owen Smith stands down? Let's say for health reasons or something else he comes up with and the circus of the leadership elections re-start with a couple of more senior names in the frame.

Unless I'm misreading it, that's it for this time round - candidates had to formally accept nominations a week ago (table at the bottom of this document):
http://www.labour.org.uk/page/-/leadership16/A Procedural Guidelines & Timetable.pdf

Of course there's always the possibility of another challenge at some point, though logically they wouldn't be able to mount another challenge till this one is over (September). Someone like Hilary Benn or whoever would also look weak for not standing in this one.

My guess is, following a further Corbyn victory in September, there's lots of scurrying and speculation about splits, but it doesn't happen. A lot will depend on the extent to which the left pursue no confidence and deselection of particular Blairite MPs and whether Labour also stays so far behind in the polls. Sorry, obvious points, just saying there's no obvious resolution to this weird civil war (very top of the party and membership Vs bulk of MPs and many other councillors etc.). A Corbyn victory might get a few soft leftists to stfu, but it isn't going to derail the Blairites.

 

[DotCommunist]

someones just encountered the idea that you can't buy everything and its not your party dammit. Oh its a good day today.

 

[two sheds]

Now just down to whether they can rig the vote by expelling enough Corbyn voters in time

 

[Wilf]

someones just encountered the idea that you can't buy everything and its not your party dammit. Oh its a good day today.

Along similar lines, Bernie Ecclestone's mother in law just got kidnapped. When I saw that story I thought 'wtf, how can Bernie Ecclestone have a mother in law'.

[Ageism, the last prejudice ]

 

[mauvais]

How long before Owen Smith stands down? Let's say for health reasons or something else he comes up with and the circus of the leadership elections re-start with a couple of more senior names in the frame.

I wonder how long before he says something properly unacceptable? He seems to be a bit of an unpolished liability, and the PR-oriented, bump-smoothing machinery of the LP doesn't seem to be massively onboard with him either.

Unless I'm misreading it, that's it for this time round - candidates had to formally accept nominations a week ago (table at the bottom of this document):
http://www.labour.org.uk/page/-/leadership16/A Procedural Guidelines & Timetable.pdf

Of course there's always the possibility of another challenge at some point, though logically they wouldn't be able to mount another challenge till this one is over (September). Someone like Hilary Benn or whoever would also look weak for not standing in this one.

This is going off memory of the tedious Rule Book from way upthread, but the main stipulation is that it happens before conference, which is the only time that the actual election can happen. So I reckon they could abort the current attempt now and start another, as would have probably happened (under different circs, admittedly) if Corbyn had lost this legal fight. But time is running out.

 

[brogdale]

Unless I'm misreading it, that's it for this time round - candidates had to formally accept nominations a week ago (table at the bottom of this document):
http://www.labour.org.uk/page/-/leadership16/A Procedural Guidelines & Timetable.pdf

Of course there's always the possibility of another challenge at some point, though logically they wouldn't be able to mount another challenge till this one is over (September). Someone like Hilary Benn or whoever would also look weak for not standing in this one.

My guess is, following a further Corbyn victory in September, there's lots of scurrying and speculation about splits, but it doesn't happen. A lot will depend on the extent to which the left pursue no confidence and deselection of particular Blairite MPs and whether Labour also stays so far behind in the polls. Sorry, obvious points, just saying there's no obvious resolution to this weird civil war (very top of the party and membership Vs bulk of MPs and many other councillors etc.). A Corbyn victory might get a few soft leftists to stfu, but it isn't going to derail the Blairites.

I would imagine that the focus of the factional war would transfer to the constituency level with the prospect of deselections becoming more of a reality. How things would pan out with 'Labour' MPs sitting in Parliament until 2020, but knowing they had been deselected is anybody's call. Perhaps that's how the split may open?

 

[brogdale]

Along similar lines, Bernie Ecclestone's mother in law just got kidnapped. When I saw that story I thought 'wtf, how can Bernie Ecclestone have a mother in law'.

[Ageism, the last prejudice ]

He's 18 years older than his mother-in-law.

 

[squirrelp]

**Warning, the link below is to the Daily Mail!**
Excellent. Will it be the Primrose Hill gaff or the Cornish mansion that has to go?

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Charming chap. I would guess that he has this covered though with other funds. Wonder what the total is. Things add up pretty quickly once you are in the high court. It will be several hundred thousand

 

[Wilf]

I would imagine that the focus of the factional war would transfer to the constituency level with the prospect of deselections becoming more of a reality. How things would pan out with 'Labour' MPs sitting in Parliament until 2020, but knowing they had been deselected is anybody's call. Perhaps that's how the split may open?

That sounds likely. Last time round there was the gang of four who set up the SDP, but individual defections were largely motivated by the threat of deselection. In many ways, a party made out of self interest.

Even then though, I'd have thought it could be slow and uncertain. At the moment, I can't see a leadership lead push to deselect the Blairites - Corbyn doesn't actually want the party to split. But there might just be enough, ahem, momentum if and when a few local parties start the process - along with a some set piece voting splits in Parliament or Conference, engineered by the right. Labour going unilateralist and anti-EU were used by the emerging SDP last time as straws that broke the camel's back.

 

[Wilf]

He's 18 years older than his mother-in-law.

Yes, not often you can say 'old enough to be her father' when referring to your mother in law.

 

[two sheds]

The Camborne-Redruth Labour candidacy's up for grabs now at least.

 

[magneze]

I think i've read it wrong actually - i think Foster must pay Corbyn's costs as well.

Yep, he does.

 

[19force8]

This is going off memory of the tedious Rule Book from way upthread, but the main stipulation is that it happens before conference, which is the only time that the actual election can happen. So I reckon they could abort the current attempt now and start another, as would have probably happened (under different circs, admittedly) if Corbyn had lost this legal fight. But time is running out.

In paragraph 39 the judge mentions in passing that the timing clause is more of an "exhortation" than a strict rule. So a challenge could occur at any time with the NEC calling an appropriate special conference. In other words, any time Corbyn stumbles there could be an immediate challenge.

Such fun.

 

[Brixton Hatter]

BBC News ticker - "Jeremy Corbyn welcomes a High Court decision to throw out a bid to overturn his automatic inclusion on the party's leadership ballot despite lacking the required support of his MPs".

The BBC article also had a photo of a glum looking Corbyn and the headline "Corbyn legal challenge fails" making it look like JC had actually lost the case!

 

[killer b]

In paragraph 39 the judge mentions in passing that the timing clause is more of an "exhortation" than a strict rule. So a challenge could occur at any time with the NEC calling an appropriate special conference. In other words, any time Corbyn stumbles there could be an immediate challenge.

Such fun.

There won’t be an appetite for it though, whatever the more vocal rebels say. They had one chance before the next general election, and they’ve fucked it.

 

[Pickman's model]

The BBC article also had a photo of a glum looking Corbyn and the headline "Corbyn legal challenge fails" making it look like JC had actually lost the case!

^ from the article
from the front page v

 

[killer b]

Corbo in a nice Ralph Lauren Harrington there, I see. Man of the people.

 

[ska invita]

Corbo in a nice Ralph Lauren Harrington there, I see. Man of the people.

market knock off for sure