Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[coley]

Why doesn't Foster start his own party and take his mates with him!

Mebbes because those Neo Tories who would like to, don't fancy losing the financial entitlements they can claim should they lose their seats come the boundary changes/Corbyns revenge.

 

[coley]

It's not called destroying the Middle East! It's called bringing democracy to the Middle East.

Bugger the ME, can we have it here first

 

[rioted]

Oh bollocks, the long time suppressed various ideological ( or totally illogical) religious factions being allowed free reign ( "to destroy the middle east")to obliterate and murder each other while a totally inadequate number of British troops were supposed to provide stability! It's been covered 'as nauseam'
Blame Blair/brown/ Campbell and the rest of the shytehawks, but don't blame the British Regular Army for the problems in the ME, if indeed you need an Army from a supposedly democratically state who are emphatically responsible for much of the unrest and suffering...nuff said.

Excuse the individuals acting "under orders" by all means. But do it to both sides. ALL governments kill but they all need obedient servants to carry out the killing. Iranian OR British.

 

[butchersapron]

Corbyn taking money from the Iranian government



The Iranian government hanging people

At least he did not work for someone bad like a pharmaceutical company.

You have one of smith consistently opposing Iran right? Or you?

 

[butchersapron]

Because I seem to have missed those posts from you. I mean from you, not smith. The ones that show a clear consistent opposition rather than a disgusting opportunistic one. One that doesn't use the murdered bodies for its own ends. You can do that right?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Judge a trot?

One cannot avoid judging the Trot.

 

[ViolentPanda]

The only way I could see him as a softening-up act would be in favour of someone really special. You know, wheel Gordon Brown, Ed (or David) Milliband out, that kind of thing. Maybe Peter Mandelson could come back from Beyond The Grave. It's the only step they can take if they want to keep upping the farce ante.

Not even the most degenerate Progress uncle-fucker would vote Mandelson. He may have a rep for deal-making, but no-one in the party, not even his fans, see the creepy fuckwad as a safe pair of hands.

 

[Pickman's model]

Not even the most degenerate Progress uncle-fucker would vote Mandelson. He may have a rep for deal-making, but no-one in the party, not even his fans, see the creepy fuckwad as a safe pair of hands.

Safe pair of claws maybe

 

[ViolentPanda]

It would probably look a bit more like Germany, FWIW. Bit late now of course. And no, the old structures are toast in favour of individualism, but that wasn't the question - it was how to appeal to people in (say) northern satellite towns. So invest in deprived areas a la EU regional development, flawed as it may have been, whilst reconfiguring the national economy (subsidies, taxes, legislation, infrastructure, public spending) to encourage something other than banking.

It's far from impossible - for example Nissan didn't pitch up to Sunderland of its own accord, and JLR didn't make a success of its Midlands operations without a lot of supporting preconditions. Not nearly enough, but a pattern. So form and properly articulate such policy, believably so, and then we'll see whether it wins votes in such places. Sounds like a bit too much like hard work though.

The German model (regional/lande "enterprise banks" that loan to new and established businesses at lower-than-market rates, and engage in co-ownership deals) has flaws, but it's certainly been a factor in retaining manufacturing capacity and fuelling private sector innovation in a "hands on" way that has rarely occurred in the UK, even when we had a worthwhile industrial policy. They attract new businesses and foster existing businesses.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Along similar lines, Bernie Ecclestone's mother in law just got kidnapped. When I saw that story I thought 'wtf, how can Bernie Ecclestone have a mother in law'.

[Ageism, the last prejudice ]

Dude, his wife is less than half his age. His M-i-L is probably younger than he is!

 

[ViolentPanda]

Charming chap. I would guess that he has this covered though with other funds. Wonder what the total is. Things add up pretty quickly once you are in the high court. It will be several hundred thousand

He'll probably have had to "pay in" a sum to court in order to prove his liquidity/ability to finance his case.

 

[ViolentPanda]

That sounds likely. Last time round there was the gang of four who set up the SDP, but individual defections were largely motivated by the threat of deselection. In many ways, a party made out of self interest.

Even then though, I'd have thought it could be slow and uncertain. At the moment, I can't see a leadership lead push to deselect the Blairites - Corbyn doesn't actually want the party to split. But there might just be enough, ahem, momentum if and when a few local parties start the process - along with a some set piece voting splits in Parliament or Conference, engineered by the right. Labour going unilateralist and anti-EU were used by the emerging SDP last time as straws that broke the camel's back.

Deselection is highly unlikely to be driven by the party leadership. It's much more likely to be driven by activists in constituency parties wanting to hoy off their parachuted-in SPAD/PPE-ers, and have locals representing their interests down in The Smoke.

 

[Wilf]

Dude, his wife is less than half his age. His M-i-L is probably younger than he is!

His m-I-l is 18 years his junior, so there's a chance he's older than his grandmother in law.

 

[DaveCinzano]

There are Rolling Stones out there that think he's a dirty old man

 

[Wilf]

There are Rolling Stones out there that think he's a dirty old man

Rupert Murdoch would see it as raising the profile of substantially older men. Bernie himself, more modestly, describes it as simply 'having a two generation head start'.

 

[Wilf]

'Fabiana Flosi and Dorian Gray (Attic Version) wish to announce their forthcoming wedding...'

 

[Mr.Dogg]

Owen Jone's full interview with Corbyn is now up on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGXVHHxxnZQ

I like Corbyn's summary of the media at the 30min mark:

"A lot of newspapers start with their opinion of me, continue for the rest of the article and then conclude by saying what a bad person I am"

 

[DotCommunist]

link no work my end? just me?

 

[inva]

I just checked it and it doesn;t work for me either. does this work?

 

[DotCommunist]

yep that ones running. Curse owens fresh facedness

 

[Orang Utan]

He strikes me as an idiot who needs to go to TV presenting school

 

[inva]

yep that ones running. Curse owens fresh facedness

I got bored after a minute or so and turned it off mind you

 

[wtfftw]

I was alerted to this New Statesman article written by someone called Martin Robbins, who describes himself as


For someone so dedicated to "evidence-based politics", his article is rather evidence free and does a whistle stop tour of all the anti-Corbyn tropes. He also claims that Corbyn has a "paranoid leadership style".

There's no comments thread, so therefore no right of reply.

Yeah D Miliband has tweeted it "Every voter in the labour leadership election should read this <link>"

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Annoyingly twee music over the little scamp Owen. Stop coming across so cheery, dammit!

 

[butchersapron]

Not much today?

 

[elbows]

Not much today?

Indeed not. I had a quick look and used up my limited attention span for these matters on a shit new interview with Eagle.

Angela Eagle: ‘There’s no point being sore’

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Sore like an Eagle!

 

[existentialist]

Not even the most degenerate Progress uncle-fucker would vote Mandelson. He may have a rep for deal-making, but no-one in the party, not even his fans, see the creepy fuckwad as a safe pair of hands.

I knew someone would bite. Eventually

 

[elbows]

Sore like an Eagle!

Oh now the Ashcroft singing flashbacks are unavoidable.

 

[killer b]

This article about the Totnes council by election that Streeting was whining about yesterday gives a different complexion to events...

No a 'Corbynite takeover' didn't cause Labour's loss in Totnes