Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[Ted Striker]

Haha no way?! Ffs

 

[Wilf]

Couldn't it be a major boost for the LDs? It's not something I've studied, but there are probably a lot of seats they could potentially take from the Tories if there were no Labour candidate. SNP is a lot less obvious, but what might Labour offer to induce them?

LDs could benefit, from their current lowpoint, though there's always a risk they might lose some of their own voters to the tories if they were seen to part of something 'left wing'. I just think that most parties who claim to operate across the whole country in a first past the post system would struggle to go into a position where they effectively give that up.

 

[Raheem]

Owen Smith has lifted an Alan Partridge quote... "we need revolution, not evolution"



hope he keeps them coming

Think Partridge wanted it the other way around. He wanted to evolve, not revolve. But, yeah, the echo is unfortunate.

Bit odd to be opposing Corbyn on the basis that what the Labour Party needs is revolution.

 

[coley]

Aye, maybe 'accepted' is closer to it than 'wanted'. He got his nominations though, they haven't condemned him completely or tried to put up their own runner - so they must at least be/have been open to him. Plus I imagine he'll be happy to revert to whatever New Labour derivative vision they have if he wins, not exactly a man of strong moral conviction.

A disposable "stand in" until the ( deluded) real players decide to make their pitch.

 

[coley]

I blame the middle classes and their smoking ban

I want to know the Corbyn line on ECigs before committing mesel

 

[coley]

In shocking news the Guardian thinks Smith's launch speech has suddenly made him competitive. Who would have thought?

I suppose any cobbled up,revisionist, pick the best bits of Wilsons, Foots, Kinnocks et al ( but miss out any Blairite bits) will do.
Coherence doesn't seem to be his strong point.

 

[coley]

the guardian really is shit these days

Not like you to reiterate the obvious slow day at the library

 

[coley]

Labour was formed as the party of the worker. But we’ve forgotten who that is | Yvette Cooper

Words fail me. We should all back Owen Smith because only he has a strong, loud voice?

And fuck what that voice is shouting, so long as you can hear it rasping out its nonsense, apparently. "We may argue amongst ourselves about whether we are too far to the right or left, but the real question is whether our whole movement is being left behind."

"We were founded as the party of labour, the party of work, in the furnaces, factories and coalmines"

All largely gone, with the enthusiastic help of what's now laughingly termed the "Labour Party"

 

[cantsin]

could be imagining this, but there seems to be a distinct lack of appreciative noise for Owen Smith today from a bunch of well heeled music /culture related meejah /twitter clebs who'd been on a a slimey anti Corbo / pro Smith mini mission over the last 2 weeks - cant help suspecting that Smith's proposed ' £150k + PA' wealth tax wasn't exactly what they were looking for first and foremost from the horn rimmed smoothie.

 

[coley]

Labour was formed as the party of the worker. But we’ve forgotten who that is | Yvette Cooper

Words fail me. We should all back Owen Smith because only he has a strong, loud voice?

And fuck what that voice is shouting, so long as you can hear it rasping out its nonsense, apparently. "We may argue amongst ourselves about whether we are too far to the right or left, but the real question is whether our whole movement is being left behind."

He hasn't, it's a nasal, whining sort of noise, bit like Tinnitus.

 

[coley]

'bring out the banners from the days gone by'

this really is thin gruel indeed, fronting up a transparent cunt like owen and warming over the founding myths of the labour party, mentioning the fabians without spitting and so on. These complete cunts, playing catch up with opinion and desperate to unseat corbyn. So much so they dare utter the dreaded S word. Don't expect to hear it again if they get their man in

They won't, and mebbes the ideals of socialism can get a decent airing once this Owen/ PLP crap is dispensed with.

 

[coley]

The thing is that he obviously just has no idea what is going on in the world of ordinary people.

The blokes a total plonker, get rid of zero hours contracts and replace them with a minimum hours contract which though not perfect, gives new employees basic rights.
He's not even credible as a stalking horse, I've got an unexpected foal that has more credibility than this areshole
Sorry, wee bit of a derail

 

[DotCommunist]

They won't, and mebbes the ideals of socialism can get a decent airing once this Owen/ PLP crap is dispensed with.

I've never known a labour party that payed more than lip service to the ideals of socialism. At their best they are negotiators with capital, a political union if you like. They have never been that in my lifetime. God bless St Jez and all that but I cannot in good conscience cast a lot in with even a so called socialist labour party. In the end they bow to pragmatism every time. There is but one solution.

 

[steveo87]

I've suddenly got a bit nervous about the court ruling today/tomorrow.
I can see the next few months being appeal and counter appeal. The PLP punching itself in the face as more and more people are drawn to UKIP, meanwhile the Tories go 'full Nero' as the country burns.

But then again, the Court can see reason, Corbyn nails it in the election, Conference roles around, purges and deselection all over the shop, and the Blairite/New Labour sink into the shadows - probably uttering that they'll form their own party with Angela Eagle and Owen Smith as their bright new leaders, and Hilary Benn talking loudly over the hum of his father, spinning in his grave...
The country will still probably burn, but at least there'll be a party opposite to call the Tories cunts when it does...

 

[redsquirrel]

LDs could benefit, from their current lowpoint, though there's always a risk they might lose some of their own voters to the tories if they were seen to part of something 'left wing'. I just think that most parties who claim to operate across the whole country in a first past the post system would struggle to go into a position where they effectively give that up.

Lewis has also floated alternatives to FPTP in the past so this should be seen as part of that.

 

[Kaka Tim]

dont spose we know what time we get the court judgment?

 

[andysays]

dont spose we know what time we get the court judgment?

Labour leadership: Ruling due on Corbyn ballot challenge

Mr Justice Foskett's reserved ruling, which could have major implications for the leadership contest and Mr Corbyn's future, is expected to be published on Thursday afternoon. He is also expected to spell out any grounds for appeal.

That's as specific as it gets, as far as I can see...

 

[Patteran]

dont spose we know what time we get the court judgment?

2pm according to George Eaton - so going by his track record for accuracy, it'll be 2am. Or next year. Or yesterday.

 

[coley]

Lewis has also floated alternatives to FPTP in the past so this should be seen as part of that.

A temporary election coalition with the focus on introducing PR would be possible, its very much in the interests of labour and other smaller parties.
Might involve a lot of people holding their noses in the short term but well worth it in the long term.

 

[brogdale]

Have to admit it would be funny as fuck if the court did rule against the NEC decision and, effectively, ruled Corbyn out of the 'contest'. They'd then have to crown Smith as leader!
All very Bolingbroke.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

Have to admit it would be funny as fuck if the court did rule against the NEC decision and, effectively, ruled Corbyn out of the 'contest'. They'd then have to crown Smith as leader!
All very Bolingbroke.

They wouldn't would they? They'd reopen nominations - Corbyn would have a chance to get his 51 even though he'd obviously struggle - and no doubt someone else would come out of the woodwork.

 

[Kaka Tim]

They wouldn't would they? They'd reopen nominations - Corbyn would have a chance to get his 51 even though he'd obviously struggle - and no doubt someone else would come out of the woodwork.

 

[brogdale]

They wouldn't would they? They'd reopen nominations - Corbyn would have a chance to get his 51 even though he'd obviously struggle - and no doubt someone else would come out of the woodwork.

I don't think there's 51 socialists in the PLP.

 

[nino_savatte]

Michael Foster clearly has more money than sense, but he's also an ignorant blustering fool, who thinks that pursuing his pet peeves through the legal system is a good use of the court's time. I hope he gets his fingers badly burnt.

 

[andysays]

They wouldn't would they? They'd reopen nominations - Corbyn would have a chance to get his 51 even though he'd obviously struggle - and no doubt someone else would come out of the woodwork.

The way things have gone, I wouldn't be surprised if there were then* further squabbling about whether Corbyn (or anyone else) hadn't already missed the deadline to get their 51 noms in.

* assuming the ruling goes against the NEC decision, which I don't think it will

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

The way things have gone, I wouldn't be surprised if there were then* further squabbling about whether Corbyn (or anyone else) hadn't already missed the deadline to get their 51 noms in.

* assuming the ruling goes against the NEC decision, which I don't think it will

I guess it would go back to the NEC? My impression is that although they want Corbyn out virtually no-one actually wants Owen Smith in (apparently his mum is sitting on the fence), so they'd only try and stitch it up like that if they thought Corbyn would get the nominations.

 

[two sheds]

I think we'd see another Court Case to prevent the NEC from extending the deadline so Corbyn couldn't stand.

 

[brogdale]

I think we'd see another Court Case to prevent the NEC from extending the deadline so Corbyn couldn't stand.

He wouldn't get 51 nominations, no matter how long they gave him.

 

[treelover]

An excellent Newsnight package last night featured various people from Burnley, one said she had no interest in politics, didn't know who Corbyn was, but it was clear she had been very politically aware, she cited Brown's comments about Gillian Duffy as the key moment she switched off, etc. They also interviewed a young UKIP organiser who spoke about workers rights and how they had been abandoned, others spoke about how all the Mills and factories had gone and there was 'no future' I wonder how Corbyn and Co can connect in these places that also voted en masse to leave the EU etc.

 

[mauvais]

others spoke about how all the Mills and factories had gone and there was 'no future' I wonder how Corbyn and Co can connect in these places

It's a mystery!