Favelado
J'adore South Shore
It's a shame that pub life as we knew has withered away. Better than going on about stuff on a forum wasn't it?
Jeremy Corbyn's time is up
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It's a shame that pub life as we knew has withered away. Better than going on about stuff on a forum wasn't it?
free spirit
more tea vicar?
I don't see that it could impartially be read in any other way by anyone with half a clue.
Sure people can attempt to make a case against it, but it just reflects their bias. It's clear what it means, and it's clear what the intent was when the wording was changed in 2010.
Kinnock muddied the waters a lot by pointing to his previously having had to gain MPs support when he was challenged, but that's irrelevant because of the rule change to clarify this point.
Smoking kills
Well-Known Member
"Lawyers" "whoring themselves". Your point is?
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
He's extremely wealthy so can afford to. He also seems to be a bit of a nut job with anger management problems. Who gets quite vengeful and vexatious against anyone who's " crossed him " . With Corbyn now on his list apparently . Suspect it'll be a voodoo doll with pins once this vexatious, vindictive case fails. Or just fuming at the tv . Mind you he's already harassed and heckled him at public events and accused him of anti semitism . So who knows .
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
Yeah she doesn't really make that point well.
It's been a while since I read the thing she's referring to, which is a bit lacking in politics like most of that group's stuff. What they're good at is producing largely apolitical models, in this one about equlibrium between housing quality vs local job prospects, which can have really interesting political implications.
What I got from it was more like:
'Unless you fix a bunch of other stuff that's wrong with capitalism at the same time, subsidising low quality housing creates ghettoes/sink estates and actually if you do fix the other things, it removes the motive to stuff low paid and unemployed into crap housing in horrible areas with no proper facilities in the first place.
So the leverage point you want to be looking at is actually capital accumulation.'
Which is a bit more complex than what she's saying in order to make her point about counter-intuitive results, but still problematic in all sorts of ways in the details.
If you want to do more on this, I suggest a separate thread. I think the subject is an interesting one, but nothing much to do with Corbyn and the PLP's machinations.
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mauvais
on reddit or something
All this legal talk has missed the actual legal argument, by the way.
It's not about that paragraph relating to challengers, per se. It's about what happens after a challenger is nominated. That triggers a leadership contest and their claim is that Corbyn needs nominations for that, outside of the provisions of that para. It may amount to the same thing but not necessarily.
It's not about that paragraph relating to challengers, per se. It's about what happens after a challenger is nominated. That triggers a leadership contest and their claim is that Corbyn needs nominations for that, outside of the provisions of that para. It may amount to the same thing but not necessarily.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
I think he might not be the Labour candidate for Camborne & Redruth next time round
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
I blame the middle classes and their smoking ban
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
sorry, this is bollocks. Just because May once famously wore some heels doesn't mean any reference to the word 'heels' is automatically misogyny. Just playing their bullshit game.
Interesting that Smith is at least pretending to be left wing. Burnham, Kendall, Cooper etc didn't even bother.
Seriously – this kind of minute study of your opponent’s statements looking for anything that could possibly be twisted into a way of painting them a racist / misogynist / whatever is one of the things that turns people right off. No one gives a shit outside of twitter tosspot bubbles, and it makes you look like a tool.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
remember that was in the wake of losing the GE where the plp right all lined up to say how sorry they were to have tried to win an election from the left (they didn't but hey). Kendals risible 4.5% may have sunk in by now.
Treacle Toes
Time
"to smash her back on her heels" - Never heard that expression before. Pretty nasty considering who he is.
I find the violence a concern. Is this an expression that is used about men too? 'smash him back on his heels' ? Or is it solely used for women?
I find the violence a concern. Is this an expression that is used about men too? 'smash him back on his heels' ? Or is it solely used for women?
Treacle Toes
Time
Seems to be his own violent version of this:
To put someone on their heels' is a variation on 'rock someone back on their heels'.
set (or rock) someone back on their heels
Definition of set or rock someone back on their heels in English:
Astonish or disconcert someone:
'She said something that rocked me back on my heels'. 'Then, just as the team seemed to be establishing a foothold, two interceptions set them back on their heels'. 'A tremendous drive set them back on their heels, forcing them to concede a penalty.' 'They counter attack from deep in their own defence and our forwards should have been tackling them with a ferocity that would have disrupted them and rocked them back on their heels near their own lines.'
Essentially it describes a physical shock that almost knocks someone backward, but they manage to retain their balance while pivoting on the heels of their shoes. The next stage would be, 'To knock someone on their back (or whatever local expression applies to buttocks).'
What's the meaning of "put someone on one's heels"?
To put someone on their heels' is a variation on 'rock someone back on their heels'.
set (or rock) someone back on their heels
Definition of set or rock someone back on their heels in English:
Astonish or disconcert someone:
'She said something that rocked me back on my heels'. 'Then, just as the team seemed to be establishing a foothold, two interceptions set them back on their heels'. 'A tremendous drive set them back on their heels, forcing them to concede a penalty.' 'They counter attack from deep in their own defence and our forwards should have been tackling them with a ferocity that would have disrupted them and rocked them back on their heels near their own lines.'
Essentially it describes a physical shock that almost knocks someone backward, but they manage to retain their balance while pivoting on the heels of their shoes. The next stage would be, 'To knock someone on their back (or whatever local expression applies to buttocks).'
What's the meaning of "put someone on one's heels"?
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
Ordinarily I would agree with you, as I did upthread. Looks I am guilty here of what I have accused others of doing, I did not know it was an established phrase... I had never heard it before.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
Agreed. It's part of this line they keep trying to sell that they can stop the Tories doing what they like through being a 'strong opposition.' We'll just ignore the Parliamentary majority here.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
normally used in self reference ime, 'i was rocked back on my heels'. The connotations of smash however are less pleasant
but its a sideshow as kb says
but its a sideshow as kb says
He's just using the same language the media do when they talk about PMQs. Have a look at some of the stories from May's first run last week - it's gladiatorial.
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
It's a storm in a teacup, but it's damning of his competency given that his whole schtick is that he's a better communicator than Corbyn. It's not like this kind of blunder wouldn't also be hammered by the Tories, that's modern politics — Cameron and "calm down dear" anyone?
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Yes, normally used as a term of astonishment, as with 'I was taken aback'.
eoin_k
Lawyer's fees, beetroot and music
The stronger point is that the right-wing of the Labour Party have double standards. On the one hand it is it acceptable for them to call union leaders 'arseholes', threaten to 'knife Corbyn in the front' and use this sort of figurative language, but they then conflate legitimate criticism from members of the public - whether or not in includes a bit of robust language - with he worst violent/mysoginistic abuse that they no doubt also receive.
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