Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[Doctor Carrot]

Been in dialogue with Frances, bit shocked by this. I have major issues with JC, he has admitted turning around public opinion on benefits will be hard, and at first chose to not prioritise it, but i still think he is the one who would do more to challenge the sanctions, etc.

I think you get a bit of shit on here, treelover, probably more than you deserve but as just a friendly suggestion it looks a bit sycophantic when you say things like that and refer to people like that on first name terms. The labour member the other day was saying things like 'I like Paul (Mason) and have met him several times' 'I know Jeremy (Corbyn) but he's flawed' and so on and he was saying it in every response. It got on my wick, frankly because it gives an air of 'ooh look at me I move in such circles and I know things and people more than Mr Average on the street.' With regards to that member it gave an air of 'I know more than you, who the fuck are you to tell me about how things are?' and he confirmed that attitude when he said, and I quote 'I care about this party, I'm a member of it not you and I won't take lectures from people like you on what direction it should take.' I'm not saying you view people like that but that's how it can be construed.

 

[19force8]

This from a link in the Guardian article comments thread:

Message To Disabled People Regarding Owen Smith MPs Leadership Bid

Reads like bullying to me. Any chance the Guardian will publicise Smith's use of legal threats to silence criticism?

Eta: She blogged about Smith responding to a question about not promising to end WCAs with the "important not to be seen as soft on welfare" line and commented to a journalist who picked it up. Then when libel action was threatened she felt local party would back Smith and not her!

 

[existentialist]

What a fucking carcrash. Flipped on marr this morning in time to catch possibly the most bizarre bit I've seen on the show since Cameron jigging to that indie band. What a fucking cunt. Lying, arrogant, actually insane I think, and I'm not talking about marr.

Rip, labour. It's a crying shame. I suppose at least ashdown was attempting to offer an alternative. But let's face it. With Corbyn there it's the Tories in power for the long foreseeable future. Labours not recovering from this. In a way, good riddance. But the thought of 20 years of the fucking Tories, well.

And that, of course, is the long game that Progress is playing. They can afford to be scum, because all they have to be is less scum than the Tories, and that's hardly difficult. If they succeed in ousting Corbyn, we're in for 20 years of the fucking Tories regardless, just under a Labour figleaf.

 

[existentialist]

You think Corbyn and his absurd, frankly embarrassing 'shadow chancellor' are an effective opposition?

The Tories openly giggle when the deluded cunt approaches the despatch box with another question from Sandra from Hull rather than being arsed to actually challenge the cunts opposite him.

So what's your solution?

 

[DotCommunist]

And that, of course, is the long game that Progress is playing. They can afford to be scum, because all they have to be is less scum than the Tories, and that's hardly difficult. If they succeed in ousting Corbyn, we're in for 20 years of the fucking Tories regardless, just under a Labour figleaf.

a tiny figleaf which still leaves the bollocks swinging in the wind for all to see

 

[treelover]

I think you get a bit of shit on here, treelover, probably more than you deserve but as just a friendly suggestion it looks a bit sycophantic when you say things like that and refer to people like that on first name terms. The labour member the other day was saying things like 'I like Paul (Mason) and have met him several times' 'I know Jeremy (Corbyn) but he's flawed' and so on and he was saying it in every response. It got on my wick, frankly because it gives an air of 'ooh look at me I move in such circles and I know things and people more than Mr Average on the street.' With regards to that member it gave an air of 'I know more than you, who the fuck are you to tell me about how things are?' and he confirmed that attitude when he said, and I quote 'I care about this party, I'm a member of it not you and I won't take lectures from people like you on what direction it should take.' I'm not saying you view people like that but that's how it can be construed.

Not all, its just how it is, I only know people who campaign on these issues and have no issue calling them by their first names, unlike many I don't really like the confrontational approach to politics.

 

[Cid]

And that, of course, is the long game that Progress is playing. They can afford to be scum, because all they have to be is less scum than the Tories, and that's hardly difficult. If they succeed in ousting Corbyn, we're in for 20 years of the fucking Tories regardless, just under a Labour figleaf.

They'd have to actually win some elections for 20 years of labour Tories. Which is unlikely.

 

[treelover]

Why Jeremy Corbyn’s support for disabled people is not enough | Frances Ryan

Frances Ryan - as a champion of disability rights and a disabled person herself she comes out in support of the man who abstained on the welfare bill rather than the person who voted against it.

Its just laughable - and shes being ripped to shreds in the comments section. I really hope they are overplaying their hand with the "get corbyn" campaign. It wont wash with the labour membership - its being overwhelmingly countered on social media and in day to day conversations - but Im wondering if the wider public will start to see it through it as well - and there is anecdotal evidence of this.
As with Trump, Fargage and Sanders - and the brexit campaign - the more he is vilified the more it cements his anti-establishment credentials.

On a side note - this cant be doing much for the guardian's sales figures either.

Closed comments now, , midday, ffs.

 

[treelover]

Perhaps the leaderly thing to do would have been to just kick them all out of the party at the first opportunity. There is, after all, a queue a milelong of Labour members eager to step into the shoes of these unprofessional, dishonest and despicable MPs. It is seats that matter, not the individuals who happen to fill them - something that many of Corbyn's opponents will remember only too well from when they were parachuted into theirs.

Absolutely, there are loads of incredibly talented left wing party members who could do the job, as very well.

 

[Pickman's model]

Not all, its just how it is, I only know people who campaign on these issues and have no issue calling them by their first names, unlike many I don't really like the confrontational approach to politics.

Then it is a surprise you should so frequently call for direct action in those causes you affect to espouse.

 

[ska invita]

Iain McNicol, Labour’s general secretary, is urging people to report any Labour members engaged in abusive behaviour so that they can be suspended from the party, and banned from taking part in the leadership contest.

He made the call in a lengthy statement that you can read here, on the party’s website.

Here is an extract.

The Labour party should be the home of lively debate, of new ideas and of campaigns to change society.

However, for a fair debate to take place, people must be able to air their views in an atmosphere of respect. They shouldn’t be shouted down, they shouldn’t be intimidated and they shouldn’t be abused, either in meetings or online.

Put plainly, there is simply too much of it taking place and it needs to stop ...

The NEC has already taken the difficult decision to suspend most party meetings while the Leadership election is ongoing. And over the coming days and weeks the Party will be taking further action to protect our members and to identify those responsible for this appalling behaviour.

I want to be clear, if you are a member and you engage in abusive behaviour towards other members it will be investigated and you could be suspended while that investigation is carried out.

If you are a registered supporter or affiliated supporter and you engage in abusive behaviour you will not get a vote in this Leadership election.

Details of any abusive behaviour can be reported by emailing validation@labour.org.uk.



The issue of course is what counts as abusive behaviour - a definition would be helpful, to put it mildly

 

[YouSir]

Iain McNicol, Labour’s general secretary, is urging people to report any Labour members engaged in abusive behaviour so that they can be suspended from the party, and banned from taking part in the leadership contest.

He made the call in a lengthy statement that you can read here, on the party’s website.

Here is an extract.

The Labour party should be the home of lively debate, of new ideas and of campaigns to change society.

However, for a fair debate to take place, people must be able to air their views in an atmosphere of respect. They shouldn’t be shouted down, they shouldn’t be intimidated and they shouldn’t be abused, either in meetings or online.

Put plainly, there is simply too much of it taking place and it needs to stop ...

The NEC has already taken the difficult decision to suspend most party meetings while the Leadership election is ongoing. And over the coming days and weeks the Party will be taking further action to protect our members and to identify those responsible for this appalling behaviour.

I want to be clear, if you are a member and you engage in abusive behaviour towards other members it will be investigated and you could be suspended while that investigation is carried out.

If you are a registered supporter or affiliated supporter and you engage in abusive behaviour you will not get a vote in this Leadership election.

Details of any abusive behaviour can be reported by emailing validation@labour.org.uk.

The issue of course is what counts as abusive behaviour - a definition would be helpful, to put it mildly

Wonder if the SaveLabour lot will try to organize an informing drive. Is your neighbor a Red?

 

[ska invita]

Wonder if the SaveLabour lot will try to organize an informing drive. Is your neighbor a Red?

Are you or have you ever been a member of the Labour Party (Corbyn-McDonnelist)?

 

[two sheds]

Are you or have you ever been a member of the Labour Party (Corbyn-McDonnelist) you arsehole?

cfy

 

[existentialist]

a tiny figleaf which still leaves the bollocks swinging in the wind for all to see

If they're bothered. The only reason this scum campaign of propaganda and harassment against Corbyn has any traction - and they know this - is because most of the population are too credulous or unconcerned to look beyond the lies and insinuations.

 

[existentialist]

They'd have to actually win some elections for 20 years of labour Tories. Which is unlikely.

It could do what it's done for the last 20 years, and be Labour Tories alternating with Tory ones

 

[existentialist]

The issue of course is what counts as abusive behaviour - a definition would be helpful, to put it mildly

"Things it suits us, from time to time, to take exception to" seems to cover it quite nicely so far.

 

[treelover]

Real intimidation is being a young, enthusiastic volunteer who is new to politics and have to worry about your life and potential career being ruined by slander in the national press because you dared to support Jeremy – yet some in our own party laughed and jeered at the misogynist abuse directed at female supporters of Corbyn in a Daily Mail article talking about Jeremy’s ‘besotted groupies.’

From JC4PM FB page, comment by team.

works both ways doesn't it, have they been reported, etc?

The idea that Blairites like Akehurst doesn't do abuse is laughable, though of course when in power, they used other methods.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

Iain McNicol, Labour’s general secretary, is urging people to report any Labour members engaged in abusive behaviour so that they can be suspended from the party, and banned from taking part in the leadership contest.

He made the call in a lengthy statement that you can read here, on the party’s website.

Here is an extract.

The Labour party should be the home of lively debate, of new ideas and of campaigns to change society.

However, for a fair debate to take place, people must be able to air their views in an atmosphere of respect. They shouldn’t be shouted down, they shouldn’t be intimidated and they shouldn’t be abused, either in meetings or online.

Put plainly, there is simply too much of it taking place and it needs to stop ...

The NEC has already taken the difficult decision to suspend most party meetings while the Leadership election is ongoing. And over the coming days and weeks the Party will be taking further action to protect our members and to identify those responsible for this appalling behaviour.

I want to be clear, if you are a member and you engage in abusive behaviour towards other members it will be investigated and you could be suspended while that investigation is carried out.

If you are a registered supporter or affiliated supporter and you engage in abusive behaviour you will not get a vote in this Leadership election.

Details of any abusive behaviour can be reported by emailing validation@labour.org.uk.



The issue of course is what counts as abusive behaviour - a definition would be helpful, to put it mildly

Ha it's so tempting:

'I felt talked down to by some patronising, name dropping prick in your party who accused me of being a hard left rabble and who wasn't welcome to be a member of your party. It really hurt my feelings and made me feel shut out in the cold by the labour family'

I'm sure they'll investigate right away

 

[treelover]

 

[butchersapron]

Look at the numbers- they'd have to get rid of at least 100 000 people in 8 weeks.

 

[DotCommunist]

Look at the numbers- they'd have to get rid of at least 100 000 people in 8 weeks.

each requiring an investigation, however perfunctory I suppose. Yeah put that way then time is not on thier side

 

[jakethesnake]

I'm a bit embarrassed that I joined tbh. I might report myself and get kicked out. I'm sure self-abuse counts.

 

[Rob Ray]

Iain McNicol, Labour’s general secretary, is urging people to report any Labour members engaged in abusive behaviour so that they can be suspended from the party, and banned from taking part in the leadership contest.

Two-edged sword that. If the Blairites are actually believing their own hype about all the nastiness being from Corbynites they may be in for a surprise.

 

[ska invita]

Two-edged sword that. If the Blairites are actually believing their own hype about all the nastiness being from Corbynites they may be in for a surprise.

And which side has the numbers and energy to do the reporting?

 

[butchersapron]

And which side has the numbers and energy to do the reporting?

Doesn't matter. Depends who does the follow up. It's a cul-de-sac anyway, designed just to produce and atmos of these people taking over my party i better vote for the MP elected in 2010 amongst longer standing members. All about those members.

 

[Rob Ray]

Doesn't matter. Depends who does the follow up. It's a cul-de-sac anyway, designed just to produce and atmos of these people taking over my party i better vote for the MP elected in 2010 amongst longer standing members. All about those members.

But then you have lots of people decrying bias in the process "I reported this person *screenshot* and nothing was done." As an atmosphere generator it could easily backfire (again)

 

[butchersapron]

But then you have lots of people decrying bias in the process "I reported this person *screenshot* and nothing was done." As an atmosphere generator it could easily backfire (again)

All possible - in terms of voting i think it's not going to matter. In terms of media coverage it might matter. But, that's neither here nor there. Or if it is, it's too early.

 

[ViolentPanda]

So, they didn't look weak on welfare at present, "but will will review it later , etc", the soft left have kept saying this, the Blairites just hate Social Security.

TBF, abstaining so as not to appear "weak on welfare" is neither tactical nor strategic, unless you're taking your core vote for granted. This was another case of the PLP going for a position that would play well with the media, regardless of the effect on a sizeable minority of their core vote. Better to wank off Murdoch, than to ease the possibility of more deaths through sanctions and/or benefits loss.

 

[killer b]

No link as it's Guido, but apparently Sarah Champion is attempting to un-resign back into the cabinet.