Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[J Ed]

I don't think there is a conspiracy here, some people employed by Portland have definitely participated in and instigated at least two events which were then reported on as happening organically as relatively minor events in the news cycle followed only by political obsessives who have made their mind up about Corbyn anyway. It's not exactly lizards pulling the strings in the background, is it?

 

[killer b]

I suspect they were acting in a voluntary capacity. If not, Eagle should ask for her money back.

 

[Whagwan]

So in response to Tessa Jowells accusations of homophobic abuse against Eagle at her constituency meeting, turns out she wasn't even there...

 

[Rimbaud]

Christ, that quote from Jones. Who was this special "younger left-wing member of the new intake" going to be? Richard Burgon? If this doesn't tarnish Jones's rep what the fuck will? I never used to mind Jones but what a pompous arsehole.

It's a perfectly reasonable plan I think. Corbyn isn't the man to lead Labour to a general election, and probably doesn't want to, but he is the best man to revitalise the party and get rid of the Blairites, which thus far he has done pretty well. Getting a younger leader in after the reform of the party is complete seems the best strategy available to me. Or is it just Jones blabbing about it for no apparent reason what you object to, rather than the plan itself?

 

[J Ed]

It's a perfectly reasonable plan I think. Corbyn isn't the man to lead Labour to a general election, and probably doesn't want to, but he is the best man to revitalise the party and get rid of the Blairites, which thus far he has done pretty well. Getting a younger leader in after the reform of the party is complete seems the best strategy available to me. Or is it just Jones blabbing about it for no apparent reason what you object to, rather than the plan itself?

He isn't the first person I've heard say that this is the plan, a Labour left person told me the same sort of thing basically word for word several months ago.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

It sounds sensible enough to me. He'd be mad to give in to any compromise that would placate that bunch of cunts now though - make them climb all the way down first.

 

[Sirena]

It's a perfectly reasonable plan I think. Corbyn isn't the man to lead Labour to a general election, and probably doesn't want to, but he is the best man to revitalise the party and get rid of the Blairites, which thus far he has done pretty well. Getting a younger leader in after the reform of the party is complete seems the best strategy available to me. Or is it just Jones blabbing about it for no apparent reason what you object to, rather than the plan itself?

On the contrary, I think Corbyn would win an election.

I have no time for 'younger' leaders, since they all seem to want to prove themselves, often at the expense of the country they are supposed to serve. A lot of practical sense comes with age.....

 

[agricola]

Just heard Corbyn's official apology. Deeply sincere and unarguable, it will no doubt drive the PLP mad.

edit: here it is -

So I now apologise sincerely on behalf of my party for the disastrous decision to go to war in Iraq in March 2003.

That apology is owed first of all to the people of Iraq. Hundreds of thousands of lives have been lost and the country is still living with the devastating consequences of the war and the forces it unleashed.

They have paid the greatest price for the most serious foreign policy calamity of the last 60 years.

The apology is also owed to the families of those soldiers who died in Iraq or who have returned home injured or incapacitated.

They did their duty but it was in a conflict they should never have been sent to.

Finally, it is an apology to the millions of British citizens who feel our democracy was traduced and undermined by the way in which the decision to go to war was taken on the basic of secret ‘I will be with you, whatever’ understandings given to the US president that have now been publicly exposed.

 

[treelover]

Christ, that quote from Jones. Who was this special "younger left-wing member of the new intake" going to be? Richard Burgon? If this doesn't tarnish Jones's rep what the fuck will? I never used to mind Jones but what a pompous arsehole.

Owen is a decent guy,. but like a rock star there are signs he is beginning to believe in his own propaganda.

 

[treelover]

Just heard Corbyn's official apology. Deeply sincere and unarguable, it will no doubt drive the PLP mad.

edit: here it is -

Any other politician would have mentioned the families first, that will be picked up by the right wing press.

 

[killer b]

Jones. He isn't your mate.

 

[agricola]

Any other politician would have mentioned the families first, that will be picked up by the right wing press.

Perhaps - though one would think that even they would note the absurdity of that, when many more people (including women and by all accounts many kids) were murdered in one attack this weekend than we lost in seven years of war.

My only problem with his apology is that he didn't take the opportunity to apologise himself, pointing out that he and many Labour MPs fought against it but that he wasn't able to stop it happening.

 

[imposs1904]

It's a perfectly reasonable plan I think. Corbyn isn't the man to lead Labour to a general election, and probably doesn't want to, but he is the best man to revitalise the party and get rid of the Blairites, which thus far he has done pretty well. Getting a younger leader in after the reform of the party is complete seems the best strategy available to me. Or is it just Jones blabbing about it for no apparent reason what you object to, rather than the plan itself?

How's the plan going? Who is this younger member they are pinning their hopes on? Until they get the Blairites and Brownites deselected, they're still there in droves in the H of C staring daggers at Corbyn's back.

I dislike Jones's behind the scenes, for-those-in-the-know aspect of it. I'm not a big fan of political leaders but it was Corbyn who delivered this victory for the left of the Labour Party. No one else from that wing would have got a sniff of winning the leadership. But now it turns out that the so called new politics boils down to Owen and his political mates coming up with this plan that they just happen to now drop on Corbyn supporters after the fact. Very hackish, in my opinion. And also pretty crap.

 

[DotCommunist]

'They have paid the greatest price for the most serious foreign policy calamity of the last 60 years.'

anyone got a worse one? I hear suez was a bit of a shitter but thats much longer ago

 

[J Ed]

Owen is a decent guy,. but like a rock star there are signs he is beginning to believe in his own propaganda.

I think he's a coward personally, I'm sure he would be nice enough to have a pint and a chat with but then again that's undoubtedly the case for loads of people with politics that I do not agree with. If we believe what he tells us then he has spent most of his adult and formative years waiting for someone like Corbyn, it's even intergenerational since his dad and mum were both in Militant, but he has chosen to put his own career aspirations and the views of his peers in the media bubble ahead of his stated lifelong beliefs. He is a fraud.

 

[free spirit]

It's a perfectly reasonable plan I think. Corbyn isn't the man to lead Labour to a general election, and probably doesn't want to, but he is the best man to revitalise the party and get rid of the Blairites, which thus far he has done pretty well. Getting a younger leader in after the reform of the party is complete seems the best strategy available to me. Or is it just Jones blabbing about it for no apparent reason what you object to, rather than the plan itself?

I want to see Corbyn as prime minister, with a cabinet full of the younger generation of left wingers to gain the experience needed to take over when Corbyn decides it's time to go.

None of them stand much of a chance of winning an election right now themselves, but are vital parts of Corbyn's support team and will gain the necessary experience to take over if they help Corbyn to win it.

 

[free spirit]

I don't think there is a conspiracy here, some people employed by Portland have definitely participated in and instigated at least two events which were then reported on as happening organically as relatively minor events in the news cycle followed only by political obsessives who have made their mind up about Corbyn anyway. It's not exactly lizards pulling the strings in the background, is it?

so, is it your conjecture that everything happened exactly as the plotters have said it happened?

Hillary Benn just happened to ring Corbyn to back him into a corner and force him to sack him 2 days after someone had registered the angelaforleader website, which was then followed by Angela resigning because of Corbyn sacking Hillary Benn, followed by a steady trickle of resignations throughout the day, all prompted by Corbyn's sacking of Hillary Benn..... but er the website was registered prior to that all happening.

The entire thing has obviously been planned in advance, at least some of them have lied about their motivations for resigning, others have either lied or been duped.

I can't see that there's any way this wasn't a conspiracy, the only question is about exactly who was in on the conspiracy, who planned and initiated it, and who's been duped into going along with it / just jumped on the bandwagon.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Any other politician would have mentioned the families first, that will be picked up by the right wing press.

He did mention the families first the tens of thousands of Iraqi families. And he was right to do so. They are the people who bore and continue to bear the brunt of the disastrous policy.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[Vintage Paw]

Over 100K new members to Labour since the start of the coup.

I'm seeing a report that it's actually closer to 200K, and that yesterday saw an enormous influx of applications.

Labour membership to hit 600,000

 

[free spirit]

if my facebook feed is anything to go on, in the last few days there's been a mass defection of the Green surge to the Corbyn defence surge (plus obviously a lot of other people as well).

 

[Vintage Paw]

I wonder if in part that's why Lucas has suggested a cross-party cooperation alliance thingy? To stem to flow back from them to Labour? "Don't go back to them, we can work together, stay with me."

 

[Mr.Bishie]

I wonder if in part that's why Lucas has suggested a cross-party cooperation alliance thingy? To stem to flow back from them to Labour? "Don't go back to them, we can work together, stay with me."

Hence her running for Green leader again.

 

[Wilf]

Any other politician would have mentioned the families first, that will be picked up by the right wing press.

He's got it in the right order - and putting it in that order does nothing to diminish the suffering of the British soldiers families.

 

[free spirit]

I wonder if in part that's why Lucas has suggested a cross-party cooperation alliance thingy? To stem to flow back from them to Labour? "Don't go back to them, we can work together, stay with me."

I think she's deeply frustrated with the lack of progress at the last election following the Green surge, and that also translates into the frustration of those who were part of the surge in finding a party that was ill prepared to mobilise such a huge growth in membership and didn't adapt to it and largely stuck with a target to win strategy that was based on targeting council wards rather than constituencies despite the surge being motivated by national issues. No surprise that loads are jumping ship, as that remains the strategy.

In terms of the alliance, the only way I can see that working is in an informal way for GP to leave the left wing labour seats and targets alone, and target the seats of the neoliberal new labour MPs / and tories instead. ie it'd be more of a pact with momentum than with the entire Labour Party.

I don't really see it working though tbh.

 

[Sirena]

if my facebook feed is anything to go on, in the last few days there's been a mass defection of the Green surge to the Corbyn defence surge (plus obviously a lot of other people as well).

I believe that. I'm a member of the Green Party (ecological reasons) and the Labour Party (support Corbyn) and I do work for both.

The Green Party is closer, in spirit, to Corbyn than to any other type of politics. Everyone in the Green Party would instinctively be on Corbyn's side in a flash.

 

[free spirit]

how'd you manage to sneak in to labour while still being a member of the greens?

I got binned from the £3 quid supporter thing due to my Green party work, but probably because I'd signed the nomination papers for our candidate.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

how'd you manage to sneak in to labour while still being a member of the greens?

I got binned from the £3 quid supporter thing due to my Green party work, but probably because I'd signed the nomination papers for our candidate.

I presume by not telling them as you couldn't be a member of both under LP rules (and probably under GP rules as well).

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[Plumdaff]

I believe that. I'm a member of the Green Party (ecological reasons) and the Labour Party (support Corbyn) and I do work for both.

The Green Party is closer, in spirit, to Corbyn than to any other type of politics. Everyone in the Green Party would instinctively be on Corbyn's side in a flash.

Not sure the Deputy Leader and the likes of Rupert Read and Jenny Jones would agree with you. Not right, not left, but green, remember. I have a huge amount of time for Caroline Lucas but there's a lot of long timers in the party who really aren't remotely left wing.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

He's got it in the right order - and putting it in that order does nothing to diminish the suffering of the British soldiers families.

Yep Wilf I think he made a very deliberate choice and got it spot on.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[ViolentPanda]

It's a perfectly reasonable plan I think. Corbyn isn't the man to lead Labour to a general election, and probably doesn't want to, but he is the best man to revitalise the party and get rid of the Blairites, which thus far he has done pretty well. Getting a younger leader in after the reform of the party is complete seems the best strategy available to me. Or is it just Jones blabbing about it for no apparent reason what you object to, rather than the plan itself?

I've been saying the above since Corbyn won the leadership. It's also made fairly obvious by Corbyn's re-democratisation strategy, and his entire tactical approach to dealing with - or rather not doing deals with - the PLP.