J30 strike: NUT, PCS, UCU, ATL call for a general strike on June 30th

[belboid]

I've told her that I think public sector pensions should fall into line with the rest of the country.

and we've already shown that they, basically, are.

 

[fractionMan]

Politics of envy LOL.

You fucking hypocrite.

 

[nino_savatte]

I've told her that I think public sector pensions should fall into line with the rest of the country.

I suspect your friend is an imaginary one.

 

[belboid]

So you want businesses to fold and people to be put out of work. How lovely you are.

lol you are the one wanting people paid less, with lower standards of living.

 

[stethoscope]

So you want businesses to fold and people to be put out of work. How lovely you are.

Why do just accept what the paymasters and proponents of privatisation and market forces say?

 

[ElizabethofYork]

Are people on Urban actually able to have a discussion without insults or foul language?

 

[nino_savatte]

So you want businesses to fold and people to be put out of work. How lovely you are.

Please keep up, businesses are folding because of the recession. Only this week, Habitat announced it was going into receivership.

 

[Steel Icarus]

I've told her that I think public sector pensions should fall into line with the rest of the country.

This friend doesn't exist, does she? You being called a troll is because you're not answering questions while appearing to stir shit up, and are a troll.

 

[ymu]

4k for civil servants, I believe, and 5k for the public sector as a whole. Certainly only a tiny bit better than most private sector pensions for most people. And after many years on lwer wages, for which the pension is meant to (partially) make up

There are more higher paid workers in the public sector, so straight averages don;t work. 25% of the public sector are graduates - including very highly paid doctors and police. 8% of the private sector are graduates, and they pay much, much shitter wages at the bottom than the public sector, and have more unskilled jobs.

Like with like is the only way to look at this.

Plus, loads of private sector workers have public sector pensions. Shed loads of graduates get trained up and then piss off to work for better wages elsewhere. It costs us a fucking fortune - management has to be great or we end up in an endless cycle of recruitment and training without ever having a team up to complement. Must be real idiots to move if the private sector is so much worse, eh?

 

[nino_savatte]

Are people on Urban actually able to have a discussion without insults or foul language?

Perhaps you should try being honest and sincere instead of avoiding questions and making things up. Just a suggestion, like.

 

[stethoscope]

Are people on Urban actually able to have a discussion without insults or foul language?

Are you actually able to properly respond to some of the posts here - made by people with economic knowledge and experience without regurgitating what those that in power are advocating - driving down all our workers rights, pensions, etc?

 

[belboid]

Are people on Urban actually able to have a discussion without insults or foul language?

are you able to have a discussion at all? Few people have used 'foul' language (tho yours has been some of the foulest, from my viewpoint). And you have lied, distorted, and ignored. You have not attempted to have a discussion. you've just made crap up.

 

[dylans]

Of course I haven't stabbed her in the back. We've discussed this and she knows I disagree with the strike. We are mature enough to be able to disagree about things but still be friends.

Does your friend know that you hate your own children?

 

[ymu]

So now the cunts are sending me an urgent request to come in and sign off an editorial, today, when they've been sitting on it for a week.

They've emailed me the form. The boy has gone out to buy a cheap scanner. I'll send it at one minute past midnight. Cheeky fuckers.

 

[William of Walworth]

Are people on Urban actually able to have a discussion without insults or foul language?

With people who are less deliberately intellectually dishonest than you, and who don't completely ignore inconvenient facts and questions put to them, yes.

Even with you, you've been asked PLENTY of questions by poeple on this thread in a perfectly polite manner --eg BigTom and several others. You've ignored most of those questions, and you've only given evasive/dishonest/selective answers to the others.

 

[ElizabethofYork]

This friend doesn't exist, does she? You being called a troll is because you're not answering questions while appearing to stir shit up, and are a troll.

I see. So because I don't fit neatly into some sort of stereotypical box, I must be a liar and a troll.

Try to understand that not everyone agrees with you. Tip: People are actually allowed to have different opinions!

 

[stethoscope]

So you want businesses to fold and people to be put out of work. How lovely you are.

So you want your friend to have worse working rights, and a worse pension to retire on - is she not worth it (but you are)?

 

[_angel_]

There are more higher paid workers in the public sector, so straight averages don;t work. 25% of the public sector are graduates - including very highly paid doctors and police. 8% of the private sector are graduates, and they pay much, much shitter wages at the bottom than the public sector, and have more unskilled jobs.

Like with like is the only way to look at this.

I was thinking this too... how much would that person be getting paid if they went to the private sector.. quite often more, if their job exists within it. Channel four news annoyed me the other night by talking about "averages" in public v private sector, without mentioning that there's a disproportionately higher level of training/ qualifications within the public sector to do jobs like teaching, medicine, police etc, so they are going to get paid more as a result.

 

[ElizabethofYork]

Does your friend know that you hate your own children?

 

[editor]

Couple of snaps from the Brixton demo.
http://www.urban75.org/blog/j30-strike-joint-rally-at-windrush-square-brixton/

 

[Lo Siento.]

I've told her that I think public sector pensions should fall into line with the rest of the country.

ie. that her pension is more than she deserves.

 

[stethoscope]

What does your friend say ElizabethofYork when you tell her she's not worth it?

 

[spanglechick]

Did we clear up who Elizabeth of York should be paying for the wages and pensions of teachers and other public sector employees?

 

[ElizabethofYork]

What does your friend say ElizabethofYork when you tell her she's not worth it?

I've never told her that. Don't try to twist my words please.

 

[MellySingsDoom]

ElizabethOfYork - could you not get anyone else to help you out with child cover today? Not even in an emergency?

 

[belboid]

I've never told her that. Don't try to twist my words please.

ooh, the cheek of it!

 

[spanglechick]

Hang on!

This friend who look's after Elizabeth of York's sick child, can't do so today because she's on strike? on strike from what? she's normally home on a school day...

 

[_angel_]

ElizabethOfYork - could you not get anyone else to help you out with child cover today? Not even in an emergency?

That's really not all that unusual for people not to have any back up. We don't

 

[Looby]

Hang on!

This friend who look's after Elizabeth of York's sick child, can't do so today because she's on strike? on strike from what? she's normally home on a school day...

 

[stethoscope]

I've never told her that. Don't try to twist my words please.

Why don't you say to her then as a 'friend', it's about time I wasn't pissed over by market forces and capitalism and a race to the bottom and instead be supportive that she might just be being treated fairly in her worker conditions and pension entitlement (if indeed she is, the right-wing politicians and business leaders always use examples which are highly misleading).