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It's A Sin - CH4 - Russel T Davies Starts Friday 22/1/21

I think it's getting the message across of what those times were like pretty well. Yes, for sure, the characterisation is a bit shallow (I've only seen two episodes so far) but the vibe of the time is pretty spot on, I think. I love the geeky sweet guy who gets sacked from Saville Row. So many sad stories of people disappearing....
 
I really wish I could share the video someone posted which is a clip from the Bell in Kings Cross in 1986 from an ITV documentary. Not only are quite a few people I knew in it, the dancing is fabulous 😂
If its the the one I'm thinking of I think an ex of mine can be seen returning from the bar just over minute in . . .
 
I really wish I could share the video someone posted which is a clip from the Bell in Kings Cross in 1986 from an ITV documentary. Not only are quite a few people I knew in it, the dancing is fabulous 😂
Why don't you? Can't find it/lost the link? It's got to be out there somewhere...
 
I think it's getting the message across of what those times were like pretty well. Yes, for sure, the characterisation is a bit shallow (I've only seen two episodes so far) but the vibe of the time is pretty spot on, I think. I love the geeky sweet guy who gets sacked from Saville Row. So many sad stories of people disappearing....
So it’s as I guessed then — you like the setting and the story — and the fact that you can project yourself into it — despite the fact that the characters are as thin as paper. I can’t enjoy a drama on that basis. For me, a drama is all about the characters.
 
Where did you get the idea that I can project myself into it?

I do think the characterisation is thin, except for the girl who nurses the Scottish guy and the bloke who was working on Saville Row. So there's enough to draw me in - I really care about those two characters and how they develop. Bear in mind I've only seen two episodes. And yes, drama for me is all about the characters too.
 
Saw the second ep last night. Not bad at all. The recreation of New York as seen from the point of view of the young lad from the shirt shop was a pretty good case of "beauty on a budget". It would have been very easy to resort to Americana clichés, but it did the job pretty well.
 
Saw the second ep last night. Not bad at all. The recreation of New York as seen from the point of view of the young lad from the shirt shop was a pretty good case of "beauty on a budget". It would have been very easy to resort to Americana clichés, but it did the job pretty well.
Looks like it was filmed in Liverpool too...
 
I binged watched it today, yes the characters were a bit thin, but overall I think it was good, if somewhat upsetting.

Was surprised there was no ad breaks on All-4 on demand.
 
Was surprised there was no ad breaks on All-4 on demand.
I wish. nothing but the same 3 or 4 online gambling ads when I watched.

have you signed up for the optional monthly sub without realising it? they do a free trial period so could've clicked through something easily enough.
 
I wish. nothing but the same 3 or 4 online gambling ads when I watched.

have you signed up for the optional monthly sub without realising it? they do a free trial period so could've clicked through something easily enough.

Nope, I registered well over a year ago, never gave any card/bank details, and it just played without any ads. :hmm:
 
I lived (fearfully) through the entire AIDS epidemic from the other end, as a really despised junkie subgroup. For over a decade, this was a horrendous death cloud, from, yes, the horrible doomy TV adverts to the half dozen tests I endured over a good few years...which meant travelling to the Royal Free, sitting through the compulsory counselling, a terrifying week of waiting, then the almost unendurable train journey back to get the results (Why they would never just tell me over the phone). Even when I knew there was no chance of infection, I was perpetually worried...and when coupled with the social disapproval, furtive sneaking around and mostly, the endless anxiety about my family, it was a surreal, frightening and deeply isolating period in my life (still feel quite bitter and angry about large swathes of the medical establishment, tbh)...and another depressing statistic to add to ODs and general druggy misadventures. Have had no appetite to renew those memories.
 
Why they would never just tell me over the phone

I think the theory is they want people to be somewhere safe and with someone who can do counselling on hand when they do tell you rather than give the news over the phone.

There is an argument to say this isn't necessary if the message is 'all clear' but then if a phone call either gets an 'all clear' or 'can you come and see us' then it would mean the latter is fairly obviously bad news...
 
There is an argument to say this isn't necessary if the message is 'all clear' but then if a phone call either gets an 'all clear' or 'can you come and see us' then it would mean the latter is fairly obviously bad news...
Yeah, but I had to endure the 'counselling' before the tests too...which was basically a lifestyle lecture which just made the ordeal longer (and nastier).
 
Watched the first three episodes last night.

I liked it. Took me back to the 80's. I am straight but often hung around on the gay scene when I lived in Manchester from 1992 to 2005. So heard a lot of stories.

I had a flatmate when I moved to London and he took his own life in a hotel room in Brighton because the illness got too much for him. He was straight and caught it whilst having away with sex workers in Brazil (where he lived for five years). He had it twelve years before he took his own life but I think being depressed and a manic alcoholic probably led him down that path :-(

Really hard to watch in some places but other bits have laugh out loud moments.
 
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I think for people of my age and below it's a good thing to watch. Really difficult in places and gave me a good insight into bits that I was aware of to some extent, but could never fully understand.
I lived (fearfully) through the entire AIDS epidemic from the other end, as a really despised junkie subgroup. For over a decade, this was a horrendous death cloud, from, yes, the horrible doomy TV adverts to the half dozen tests I endured over a good few years...which meant travelling to the Royal Free, sitting through the compulsory counselling, a terrifying week of waiting, then the almost unendurable train journey back to get the results (Why they would never just tell me over the phone). Even when I knew there was no chance of infection, I was perpetually worried...and when coupled with the social disapproval, furtive sneaking around and mostly, the endless anxiety about my family, it was a surreal, frightening and deeply isolating period in my life (still feel quite bitter and angry about large swathes of the medical establishment, tbh)...and another depressing statistic to add to ODs and general druggy misadventures. Have had no appetite to renew those memories.

I was thinking about this aspect at times too.
 
After having a test back in those days, I was phoned at my parent's house that evening by the doctor telling me not to use the same towel as anyone else in the house. FFS.
There was a sorta hierarchy of innocence being played out. Top of the list (and most deserving) were those who contracted the syndrome via blood transfusions. Then straight people who had the misfortune to get it through sexual contact. However (promiscuous) gays and druggies were absolutely the worst (although less so when specialist medical agencies were involved). And if those gays were druggies too (gasp)..
Mind, in fairness, after each negative test, I raced off to score as much as I could, for a massive celebratory binge...and a couple of gay men I hung about with went on a similar bender What a time to be alive.
 
Just finished episode 2 and can't really fault it so far.

Never seen anything by Russell T Davies before, but style makes me think a lot of Danny Boyle.
 
This had sort of passed me by, but based on all the glowing reviews here I think we'll try to watch it fairly soon. Aside from his other work, I really loved Queer As Folk back when that was on - bit surprised it hasn't been mentioned by anyone yet, since it sounds like a comparison between the two would be an obvious one to make.
 
This had sort of passed me by, but based on all the glowing reviews here I think we'll try to watch it fairly soon. Aside from his other work, I really loved Queer As Folk back when that was on - bit surprised it hasn't been mentioned by anyone yet, since it sounds like a comparison between the two would be an obvious one to make.

They’re very different though. AIDS barely has a mention in QAF and he’s spoken about how that was a deliberate choice by him. It is an excellent series and well worth watching. Don’t think it can be underestimated what QAF did for lots of young gay teens not able to be out.
 
I watched this with my 24 year old son. We both loved it and found it very moving. It led to lots of conversations between us and he was pretty shocked to hear about the bigotry that was openly displayed in those days.

I was in my 20s in the 80s so it brought back lots of memories of that time.
 
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