maomao
普費斯
Fahrenheit.
Is it too late?
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have you not seen how much the world has changed in the last 40 years?I don’t see revolution happening in my lifetime though and past experience suggests that it just creates a new 'ruling class', let alone do anything for the environment. It's hard not to be fatalistic. I feel very down tbh
China have changed their system twice since the 80s, Africa and South Asia where most of the people are still don't have proper systems in place, it's still all open in the main parts of the world
Humberto
Callooh! Callay!
And the rising police brutality to go with it. Conspiracism and the associated problems too undermining efforts to support positive moves to deal with it.
hitmouse
so defeated, thinks it's funny
Think I've posted this before, and I've never actually listened to/read most of their stuff, but Live Like the World is Dying seems like a reasonable perspective on this subject: About, Live Like the World is Dying
Has anyone ever actually read Desert? (I haven't read it all the way through myself.)
Has anyone ever actually read Desert? (I haven't read it all the way through myself.)
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Yeah, not for ages though. Broadly says we're fucked and give up on hope as it's pseudo-religious and an impediment, but don't give up on the possibility of change; largely that'll happen in areas that are 'peripheral' to capital, and that have some collective memory and practical ability to survive the retreat/collapse of state and capital. And that some of the collapse will also open up new spaces for people to rediscover better ways of living. Something like that? Here for those of you that haven't seen it Desert
I nearly mentioned the quote in the first page earlier... “It’s not the despair — I can handle the despair. It’s the hope I can’t handle.”
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Margaret Killjoy is great, they did
Mythmakers & Lawbreakers: Anarchist Writers on Fiction : Killjoy, Margaret : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
Book Mythmakers & Lawbreakers: Anarchist Writers on Fiction, edited by Margaret Killjoy, AK Press, Oakland, 2009, ISBN 978-1-84935-002-0, license CC BY-NC-SA...
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Will read through later
There are scaleable solutions to the energy crisis. The problem is the political will.
Energy efficiency guru Amory Lovins: ‘It’s the largest, cheapest, safest, cleanest way to address the crisis’
Guardian. Sat 26 Mar 2022
hitmouse
so defeated, thinks it's funny
Yeah, from what I've seen of it I wasn't too impressed the first time round, but as time goes by it feels harder and harder to refute the "we're fucked" bit. Feels like it may be the kind of text where even if you disagree with it, thinking about why and how you disagree with it might be productive?
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
I think the most likley outcome is mass extinctions of plants and animals. Billions less humans than now and a loss of industrial society,I don’t think humanity is heading for extinction but it seems harder and harder to stop a future in which too many other animals are.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
It was probably a mistake to read this so soon after 40 degrees here. It's mostly making me angry. Started it a few days ago.
We'll see how it ends up. It's a funny old book, half story and half rant asking what the fuck, and telling us we have the tools to change already.
Superdupastupor
fun to funky
I heard a good analogy last night:
Imagine dice with the 6 face being an extreme weather event.
(The summer of 77 or whatever, before my time.)
We are now playing with die that have more than one 6 face, meaning sequences of 6s becoming more and more likely. Added to which it's not random probability an extreme weather event increases that occurrence of more.
Imagine dice with the 6 face being an extreme weather event.
(The summer of 77 or whatever, before my time.)
We are now playing with die that have more than one 6 face, meaning sequences of 6s becoming more and more likely. Added to which it's not random probability an extreme weather event increases that occurrence of more.
Superdupastupor
fun to funky
Not only but also, I'm fairly worried that we are going to see the world's largest humanitarian crisis, of all time, within the next 12 months
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weltweit
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For it not to be too late I think there has to be a constant media interest in the progress towards zero, there was interest at the time of Glasgow but then there was Covid 19 and then there was Ukraine which both seem to have banished climate off the front pages altogether.
This is not good, we need constant pressure on the decision makers, daily stories, weekly pressure, regular updates as to progress.
In short we need those in power to know that we the electorate care deeply about achieving net zero and going further, that it matters, that they will be held to account for their progress or lack of it.
This is not good, we need constant pressure on the decision makers, daily stories, weekly pressure, regular updates as to progress.
In short we need those in power to know that we the electorate care deeply about achieving net zero and going further, that it matters, that they will be held to account for their progress or lack of it.
bcuster
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Greta Thunberg and Al Gore react as climate change bakes Europe with record heat
Greta Thunberg and Al Gore, two of the world's leading voices in the fight against climate change, reacted Tuesday to the record-setting heat wave and wildfires gripping Europe.
bcuster
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Greenland hit with 'unusually extensive' melting of ice sheet, boosting sea levels, scientists say
Rapid melting can impact sea level rise and also countries that rely on seasonal water supply from melting glaciers, said scientist William Lipscomb.
www.usatoday.com
bcuster
Well-Known Member
55 in Nuuk as I type this...When does it stop being “unusually extensive” and just become usual
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
I think it'll all be over when Greta melts. Until then let's just enjoy the summer 
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
Don't go. Great in the winter, if you like astonishingly cold temperatures - but in the summer it's an absolute midgefest: you'll be eaten alive, and if you're not, you'll shoot yourself to avoid being eaten alive.
bcuster
Well-Known Member
I did not know that. I've heard that the roads are quite bad...
Lorca
Call in Sick Tomorrow
I believe we're fucked too, not least because of some of the factors already discussed here, but also worryingly, hardly anyone outside of bio-sciences (with to my knowledge an exception of monbiot) seems to be talking about severe top-soil degradation/erosion due to natural erosion and exacerbated by over use of nitrites, acidification, drought/flooding, removal of hedges to create bigger fields, illegal logging/deforestation etc etc etc etc. Ultimately it's driven by the intense pressure on arable land to feed billions of people (and livestock) imo. We are talking about the planet losing a football field of soil every 5 seconds and even the UN are now talking about losing 10% of crop yields by 2050 (a huge number) and serious crop failiures within 80 to 100 harvests, well within many children's lifetimes. When/if that happens, it shouldn't really need spelling out that we're in deep trouble given that 95% of our food comes from the soil. Everything is connected I guess.
Ming
I shot a man in Reno...
sick!!
Ming
I shot a man in Reno...
This is the problem i think. The powers that be realise people are energy hogs who expect power at the flick of a switch 24/7 and 365 and won’t accept anything less. So fuck ‘em. Make hay while the sun shines.
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