Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
I'm not comfortable with talking in binary terms, i.e. we're either fucked or not fucked. There are degrees of fuckedness, and as I understand it we still have agency over how fucked we become, and how soon.
I'm not comfortable with talking in binary terms, i.e. we're either fucked or not fucked. There are degrees of fuckedness, and as I understand it we still have agency over how fucked we become, and how soon.
This is the point, isn’t it? “what might be able to be done without the State acting, etc.”There's just so much to think about on this topic; both in terms of what's happening, the speed of it, the response (or lack thereof), the growing anti-green backlash, what we should be doing, what might be able to be done without the State acting, etc.
I think I need to try and order my thoughts on it for a discussion, even though much of it is questions rather than answers.
This is very perceptive - and the political will thing is crucial. I was having a conversation recently with a friend who works closely with senior local authority directors / some of the mayoral authorities on climate issues. He says that by and large most of these individuals are convinced of the need to act, they can see the direction of travel, they know many (if not all) of the things they should be doing - but they don't have the political space to do it (and often the resources). So building some sort of movement that creates that political space, that challenges business-as-usual economic assumptions, must be the priority. I don't think the XR / JSO approach is helping us get to that.This is the point, isn’t it? “what might be able to be done without the State acting, etc.”
The thing is, it isn’t too late to stop things getting worse, if there is the political will. (And indeed, because it’s not a binary, that will go on for a while, as things taper away).
But the agency you or I have (as things stand, under late capitalism) is as nothing to the agency of those who actually need to act: governments and corporations. (And of course I’m not saying we as individuals therefore shouldn’t do anything. We must).
Looking at governments now is depressing. And they’ll be way ahead of corporations as far as willingness to act is concerned.
And here’s the rub: the individuals who need to act are by and large not especially stupid or especially evil. They’re just people. What’s preventing them acting are structural circumstances. The “realities” of capitalism.
This is very perceptive - and the political will thing is crucial. I was having a conversation recently with a friend who works closely with senior local authority directors / some of the mayoral authorities on climate issues. He says that by and large most of these individuals are convinced of the need to act, they can see the direction of travel, they know many (if not all) of the things they should be doing - but they don't have the political space to do it (and often the resources). So building some sort of movement that creates that political space, that challenges business-as-usual economic assumptions, must be the priority. I don't think the XR / JSO approach is helping us get to that.
I thought this thread was a good place to post this. Indeed, is it to late...?
Hawaii woman shocked as tourists are back to swimming at Maui's beaches just days after wildfire victims' bodies were pulled from the water
The woman said some tourists are carrying on with their vacations on fire-ravaged Maui despite calls to stay away from the island.www.insider.com
and the entitled tourists come & dance on their graves...Last time I checked, there were 93 dead and it's still expected to rise. As I understand it, there wasn't any warning sirens and people got bunched up on an intersection on the way out of town and were blocked from leaving. Mostly the current count is from cars and they haven't gone in the houses yet. I doubt if they ever find some people.
Holidays in other people's misery.and the entitled tourists come & dance on their graves...
Last time I checked, there were 93 dead and it's still expected to rise. As I understand it, there wasn't any warning sirens and people got bunched up on an intersection on the way out of town and were blocked from leaving. Mostly the current count is from cars and they haven't gone in the houses yet. I doubt if they ever find some people.
The space might soon open up enough for UK legislation on emissions reporting (for business. LAs etc.) - which is still all voluntary with national figures only providing crude estimations. The EU and the US are bringing in rules for disclosure that will force companies to adhere to emission standards. There is also modelling done by York University, Canada that shows it is myth that without GDP growth economies will collapse. So , maybe there is something of an impetus for consumer power to resize economies in line with the size of markets for renewables and sustainable alternatives.Part of my thinking about doing stuff 'without the State' was related to that need for a movement to take the political space back and acting without/against the State around climate change; either carbon emission reductions or preparations for it more generally. It could be done in workplaces and where people live. There's a definite risk of it becoming just a well-meaning personal or community carbon reduction project that gets an approving mention in The Guardian, but I think that could also be avoided if thought through as part of the activity.
I mean it needs a more confrontational political movement as well of course....
Some Hawaii locals want tourists to stay away for good. Do they have a point?
The devastating fire on Maui has drawn renewed attention to the longstanding debate over whether the economic benefits of tourism in the state outweigh the harms it causes.www.yahoo.com
I didn't think they sold ready brek in americaAbsolutely depressing and enraging bit of info from the US Republican candidate debate.
After all eight candidates declined to raise their hands when asked if they believed human behavior was causing the climate crisis, Ramaswamy jumped in, stridently rapping out: “Unlock American energy, drill, frack, burn coal, embrace nuclear.”
It has been a month of wildfire disaster in Hawaii and heavy flooding in California. The Fox News hosts pointed out that the climate crisis is the number one concern for young American voters. Regardless, the youngest candidate on stage ploughed on: “The climate change agenda is a hoax … more people are dying of bad climate change policies than they are of actual climate.”
Combative Vivek Ramaswamy emerges as surprise focal point of GOP debate
Biotech entrepreneur takes on Trump mantle in former president’s absence, drawing heavy fire from other candidateswww.theguardian.com
Red halos. More likely the divil himselfIt's their whole body halos from God obviously.
Some say the devil is dead and buried in killarneyRed halos. More likely the divil himself
And while rome's extensive territories are on fire toowe are hopelessly fucked at best. fiddling while Rome burns.
MORE SAY HE ROSE AGAINSome say the devil is dead and buried in killarney
Some say the devil is dead and buried in killarney
and joined the british armyMORE SAY HE ROSE AGAIN
Absolutely depressing and enraging bit of info from the US Republican candidate debate.
After all eight candidates declined to raise their hands when asked if they believed human behavior was causing the climate crisis, Ramaswamy jumped in, stridently rapping out: “Unlock American energy, drill, frack, burn coal, embrace nuclear.”
It has been a month of wildfire disaster in Hawaii and heavy flooding in California. The Fox News hosts pointed out that the climate crisis is the number one concern for young American voters. Regardless, the youngest candidate on stage ploughed on: “The climate change agenda is a hoax … more people are dying of bad climate change policies than they are of actual climate.”
Combative Vivek Ramaswamy emerges as surprise focal point of GOP debate
Biotech entrepreneur takes on Trump mantle in former president’s absence, drawing heavy fire from other candidateswww.theguardian.com
Absolutely depressing and enraging bit of info from the US Republican candidate debate.
After all eight candidates declined to raise their hands when asked if they believed human behavior was causing the climate crisis, Ramaswamy jumped in, stridently rapping out: “Unlock American energy, drill, frack, burn coal, embrace nuclear.”
It has been a month of wildfire disaster in Hawaii and heavy flooding in California. The Fox News hosts pointed out that the climate crisis is the number one concern for young American voters. Regardless, the youngest candidate on stage ploughed on: “The climate change agenda is a hoax … more people are dying of bad climate change policies than they are of actual climate.”
Combative Vivek Ramaswamy emerges as surprise focal point of GOP debate
Biotech entrepreneur takes on Trump mantle in former president’s absence, drawing heavy fire from other candidateswww.theguardian.com