Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[gosub]

curious as to what EFTA make of this...probably end up using their courts, though without chipping in to the development of EUrope through EFTA grants and I think theoretically no freedom of movement

 

[bimble]

When is a Brexit not a Brexit ? In answer to the Op's question I clicked 'no' but not because i think we'll officially stay in the EU, more that there'll be something that is just called brexit on the tin .

 

[Silas Loom]

I can't believe it's not Brexit!

 

[bemused]

You seem very keen on a particular reading.

I'm just reading the text without putting stuff between the lines. The EU has been consistent in saying access to the SM is only via. the four pillars - and we don't seem to want EFTA. The GFA doesn't seem a viable way to bypass that. Who knows?

 

[8den]

Not really, if you are Irish you're able to live in the UK anyway.

Has that been settled post Brexit?

 

[bemused]

curious as to what EFTA make of this...probably end up using their courts, though without chipping in to the development of EUrope through EFTA grants and I think theoretically no freedom of movement

The EU aren't going to grant the same access EFTA has without freedom of movement.

 

[gosub]

The EU aren't going to grant the same access EFTA has without freedom of movement.

was writing a reply to your previous. EFTA isn't access, EFTA is membership of the Single Market. -membership for Countries that don't want anything to with CAP, fois gras farmers, imaginary olive trees and fences, lots and lots of fences

 

[gosub]

Europe just turned its voice at the WTO up to 11...In exchange for the UK blindly excepting any health & safety and environmental gold plating the EU comes up with.

 

[Raheem]

I'm just reading the text without putting stuff between the lines. The EU has been consistent in saying access to the SM is only via. the four pillars - and we don't seem to want EFTA. The GFA doesn't seem a viable way to bypass that. Who knows?

I don't know the text of the gfa off the top of my head, but surely for matters not involving customs checks, it should be substantially possible to have bilateral arrangements with roi that don't provide any benefits in mainland Europe. So, for example, Ireland can agree to recognise UK qualifications without it logically meaning that Spain has to.

 

[bemused]

was writing a reply to your previous. EFTA isn't access, EFTA is membership of the Single Market.

It's the EEA, but that still requires accepting the four freedoms. I can't see the EU agreeing to the same deal but without free movement.

 

[gosub]

It's the EEA, but that still requires accepting the four freedoms. I can't see the EU agreeing to the same deal but without free movement.

EU signed CETA earlier this year which removes 99% of tarriffs and no freedom of movement...and we've all signed up to TBT so everything else, apart from H&s AND environment will be global standards

 

[bimble]

Just had a look at the comments on the daily mail following today’s news and they are apoplectic with rage. Eg) ‘now I know what the Czechs felt like in 1938’.

 

[Raheem]

EU signed CETA earlier this year which removes 99% of tarriffs and no freedom of movement...

But it doesn't cover services (and 99% is either wrong or misleading).

 

[gosub]

But it doesn't cover services (and 99% is either wrong or misleading).

but there isn't a Single Market in Services

 

[bemused]

But it doesn't cover services (and 99% is either wrong or misleading).

It covers services if you want to sell services to Canada, but not the other way around. It also allows the EU to take part in government procurement, but not the other way around. Happily, for Canadian cheese makers their quota has tripled and the famous Canadian chocolate industry can trade tariff-free with the EU. Although if you're a farmer you'll still need to pay tariffs on some meats, corn etc.

 

[bemused]

but there isn't a Single Market in Services

Under CETA there is. A market in which the EU can sell services to Canada, but Canada can't sell them to the EU.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

Just had a look at the comments on the daily mail following today’s news and they are apoplectic with rage. Eg) ‘now I know what the Czechs felt like in 1938’.

Tbh that sounds like the comments under every other mail article...

 

[Supine]

Just had a look at the comments on the daily mail following today’s news and they are apoplectic with rage. Eg) ‘now I know what the Czechs felt like in 1938’.

I’d take that as a good sign

 

[SpookyFrank]

I can't believe it's not Brexit!

If this isn't tomorrow's Sun headline I'll be very surprised.

 

[MightyTibberton]

When is a Brexit not a Brexit ? In answer to the Op's question I clicked 'no' but not because i think we'll officially stay in the EU, more that there'll be something that is just called brexit on the tin .

I call for a second vote. The question wasn't clear!

 

[Nine Bob Note]

If this isn't tomorrow's Sun headline I'll be very surprised.

Get it trademarked quickly and let Murdoch pay for your xmas presents

 

[SpookyFrank]

I call for a second vote. The question wasn't clear!

Wouldn't be surprised if some leavers started singing this very song, and with 100% refusal to admit that there's any kind of irony or double standard in them doing so.

 

[Silas Loom]

Wouldn't be surprised if some leavers started singing this very song, and with 100% refusal to admit that there's any kind of irony or double standard in them doing so.

That was pretty much exactly what Ross Clark did in the Spectator yesterday, in advance of this. Hence the discussion last night which upset Urban's brexiteers so.

 

[bemused]

That was pretty much exactly what Ross Clark did in the Spectator yesterday, in advance of this. Hence the discussion last night which upset Urban's brexiteers so.

They'll start whispering it sooner or later.

 

[2hats]

‘now I know what the Czechs felt like in 1938’.

“We’ve got Trident for a reason, this is the time to unleash it on Brussels and show the EUSSR the full might of Britain. Those quislings will soon come to the table after that.”
Barry, Hornchurch.

 

[DotCommunist]

Tbh that sounds like the comments under every other mail article...

which czechs as well, some of the sudeten germans were acually quite pleased to see old one ball

 

[Silas Loom]

“We’ve got Trident for a reason, this is the time to unleash it on Brussels and show the EUSSR the full might of Britain. Those quislings will soon come to the table after that.” Barry, Hornchurch.
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It had to be Hornchurch. Superb.

 

[bemused]

“We’ve got Trident for a reason, this is the time to unleash it on Brussels and show the EUSSR the full might of Britain. Those quislings will soon come to the table after that.” Barry, Hornchurch.
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I've checked, we'd be safe NUKEMAP by Alex Wellerstein phew!

 

[MightyTibberton]

Wouldn't be surprised if some leavers started singing this very song, and with 100% refusal to admit that there's any kind of irony or double standard in them doing so.

I was joking about the question at the top of the thread!

 

[gosub]

I've checked, we'd be safe NUKEMAP by Alex Wellerstein phew!

careful now, impact studies, when they exist, are invariably wrong apparently.
Learnt that off some bloke who claims he was in the SAS