Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[Ming]

It's going to be so cool.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Caroline Lucas calls for emergency female cabinet to block no-deal Brexit

The Green MP, Caroline Lucas, has thrown down the gauntlet to 10 high-profile female politicians over blocking a no-deal Brexit, proposing a cabinet of national unity including Labour’s Emily Thornberry, the Liberal Democrat leader, Jo Swinson, and the former Conservative cabinet minister Justine Greening to seek legislation for a fresh referendum.

In an extraordinary proposal that will be viewed with scepticism by rival parties, Lucas offered to broker a deal with female MPs from all the main political parties in Westminster, as well as the SNP’s leader, Nicola Sturgeon.

I heard her name come up a couple of times, last week, as a potential leader of a national unity government, as someone more likely to get cross party support than Corbyn, she has clearly decided to give it a go. Personally I can't see her getting the total support from Labour that she would need, but she has noting to lose in trying.

 

[redsquirrel]

See the post two above yours

That statement doesn't make any mention of a socialist utopia, it doesn't even argue that leaving the EU will bring about a change. It is a statement of intent arguing that the left need to develop a movement to help advance the interests of the working class, and that such a movement needs to be based around leaving the EU.

 

[Plumdaff]

Caroline Lucas calls for emergency female cabinet to block no-deal Brexit



I heard her name come up a couple of times, last week, as a potential leader of a national unity government, as someone more likely to get cross party support than Corbyn, she has clearly decided to give it a go. Personally I can't see her getting the total support from Labour that she would need, but she has noting to lose in trying.

It's a clueless, embarrassing attempt that looks more like a tactic to exclude Corbyn supporters than anything else. Are we really meant to fall for the piss poor 'it's women austerity fans therefore it's progressive' line. Really?
If she's genuinely reaching out to the leadership of the parties why is she writing to Cooper rather than Abbott, who genuinely is in the Labour leadership? Why is fucking Soubry involved, I've got more national political clout than her atm. Why didn't these useless fuckers actually turn up for the votes that could have prevented no deal? Oh, preventing fairly weak social democracy was more important. Fuck Lucas. Fuck the Greens.

 

[Steel Icarus]

Democracy in 2019

Is Lucas proposing she's PM in this gov?

 

[belboid]

It's a clueless, embarrassing attempt that looks more like a tactic to exclude Corbyn supporters than anything else. Are we really meant to fall for the piss poor 'it's women austerity fans therefore it's progressive' line. Really?
If she's genuinely reaching out to the leadership of the parties why is she writing to Cooper rather than Abbott, who genuinely is in the Labour leadership? Why is fucking Soubry involved, I've got more national political clout than her atm. Why didn't these useless fuckers actually turn up for the votes that could have prevented no deal? Oh, preventing fairly weak social democracy was more important. Fuck Lucas. Fuck the Greens.

She did write to Thornbridge, who is also in the leadership. Didn't manage to write to a single BME person though, maybe they can't 'reach out to those they disagree with and cooperate to find solutions'

 

[Ranbay]

 

[philosophical]

Leave in my book does not mean stay joined.
Not much time left to get the barbed wire, watchtowers, and machine gun emplacements sorted for the land border in Ireland.
Lexit, Brexit, Schmexit, all those who voted leave need to get on with it quickly in Ireland, or they will end up moaning even more about their various shades of hatred.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Not much time left to get the barbed wire, watchtowers, and machine gun emplacements sorted for the land border in Ireland.

Get a grip.

 

[philosophical]

Get a grip.

How does leave manifest itself on the soon to be land border between the UK and the EU on the island of Ireland?
Have you got any ideas, or do you subscribe to the Boris Johnson (non) solution of 'technology'?

 

[butchersapron]

Aren't you nutters supposed to say boarders anyway?

 

[cupid_stunt]

How does leave manifest itself on the soon to be land border between the UK and the EU on the island of Ireland?
Have you got any ideas, or do you subscribe to the Boris Johnson (non) solution of 'technology'?

Certainly not with 'watchtowers, and machine gun emplacements'.

 

[butchersapron]

I diagnose massive anti-irish projection.

 

[philosophical]

Certainly not with 'watchtowers, and machine gun emplacements'.

OK.
I assume from that you are full square behind Prime Minister Boris Johnson.
If you are not, can you outline how 'leave' will not mean 'stay joined'?

 

[Pickman's model]

Certainly not with 'watchtowers, and machine gun emplacements'.

 

[andysays]

Caroline Lucas calls for emergency female cabinet to block no-deal Brexit



I heard her name come up a couple of times, last week, as a potential leader of a national unity government, as someone more likely to get cross party support than Corbyn, she has clearly decided to give it a go. Personally I can't see her getting the total support from Labour that she would need, but she has noting to lose in trying.

When I saw that earlier, I was tempted to post on the 'why the Greens are shit' thread

 

[Mr. Jelly]

white, privately educated, successful, upper middle class MP suggests other white, successful, middle class MP's finally be given a voice.

 

[emanymton]

When I saw that earlier, I was tempted to post on the 'why the Greens are shit' thread

To be fair it should go on the why the green party is shit thread.

 

[Wilf]

How does leave manifest itself on the soon to be land border between the UK and the EU on the island of Ireland?
Have you got any ideas, or do you subscribe to the Boris Johnson (non) solution of 'technology'?

Hundreds of posts ago, when you joined urban, you started demanding that leave voters should come up with precise borders/customs arrangements in Ireland. It was pointed out that nobody here was responsible for the referendum or what follows in terms of policy. You don't really get 'politics' do you? It's not something that 'we' do - they do it.

 

[philosophical]

Hundreds of posts ago, when you joined urban, you started demanding that leave voters should come up with precise borders/customs arrangements in Ireland. It was pointed out that nobody here was responsible for the referendum or what follows in terms of policy. You don't really get 'politics' do you? It's not something that 'we' do - they do it.

I believe those who voted leave are totally responsible for sorting the consequences of their actions.
It certainly isn't down to those who voted remain.
If you believe that means I don't get 'politics' you're wrong if that is a question and also wrong if that is a statement.
My views are no less and no more valid than yours.

 

[cupid_stunt]

I believe those who voted leave are totally responsible for sorting the consequences of their actions.

No it's not, you moron.

 

[xenon]

I believe those who voted leave are totally responsible for sorting the consequences of their actions.
It certainly isn't down to those who voted remain.
If you believe that means I don't get 'politics' you're wrong if that is a question and also wrong if that is a statement.
My views are no less and no more valid than yours.

As a remain voter, it’s time you gave us your plans to deal with the migrant crisis’.

 

[philosophical]

No it's not, you moron.

My beliefs are my beliefs.
You are at liberty to be abusive as you are indeed being, in my opinion your rush to abuse undermines the point you are failing to make.

 

[philosophical]

As a remain voter, it’s time you gave us your plans to deal with the migrant crisis’.

As a remain voter I lost.
So it is not down to me to give you any plans.
If I had the power I would abandon the notion of borders.

 

[Pickman's model]

As a remain voter I lost.
So it is not down to me to give you any plans.
If I had the power I would abandon the notion of borders.

If I ruled the world there'd be no one in it

 

[danny la rouge]

As a remain voter I lost.
So it is not down to me to give you any plans.

That “so” suggests you think the latter is a logical consequence of the former. It is not.

The truth of the matter is that it isn’t up to voters, however they voted, to come up with plans. Even if they did, their best chance of being heard is to lodge a petition, which would be debated in parliament if it reached the requisite threshold, and then disregarded.

Voters vote. Their ‘plans’ are irrelevant to the government.

 

[xenon]

As a remain voter I lost.
So it is not down to me to give you any plans.
If I had the power I would abandon the notion of borders.

Weak. Didn’t vote leave myself, imagine for a moment I did. Taking your lead... I would make the border on the island of Ireland vanish.

 

[alex_]

As a remain voter, it’s time you gave us your plans to deal with the migrant crisis’.

Pretty sure this wasn’t caused by the brexit vote.

 

[cupid_stunt]

My beliefs are my beliefs.
You are at liberty to be abusive as you are indeed being, in my opinion your rush to abuse undermines the point you are failing to make.

I am not trying to make a point, I am just taking the piss out of you, as a one trick pony, and complete boring twat.

 

[Humberto]

If it is too good to be true with politicians and politics in this country, then it always is e.g. party leaders offering something in the way of leadership in the interim and/or Labour being elected into govt. By that logic, fwiw, I'm thinking a hasty last minute delay of a few months to allow a general election, which the Tories will win. So more balls-ups, shitness and disappointment.