belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Yes, there's been 'a' Britain for a thousand years. It's just had rather different borders, nations, definitions. Oh, and relations with Europe.
Is Brexit actually going to happen?
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andysays
Love and solidarity
The point is still the same though, in appealing to
Watson is simultaneously showing a terrible grasp of history and pandering to a cosy idea of shared tradition which has never really existed
Proper Tidy
Arsed
It isn't meant to be historically accurate tbf. It's just drivel aimed at people who already agree with him. The old mod looking cunt
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Strictly speaking there was a Britain between 410 and just after Gildas' time, then no Britain until 1284 whereupon we have had varying forms of Britain (with the most accurate Britain starting in 1485) since.
Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
You are saying nothing of any consequence. If you think trade deals with the US and the capital flow that will ensue are unimportant it’s hard to see what your objection is to the EU. You’ve got on board a bun fight that is entirely on the terms of the right and you don’t have a reason why.
Massive threat to them, this left on left on progressive slagging.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
Mate you're desperately defending the staus quo and fuelling the growth of the far right, how are you progressive or left?
I didn't say I thought trade deals with the US were unimportant. I'm just saying things that might happen aren't quite as important as things that are happening right in front of you, right now.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
surely the Bretwelda's count?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
England I think you mean, being as the most accurate Britain you suggest omitted scotland
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
Apart from the Americans that threw a lot of resources at getting a leave vote? What was that about then?
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Not really - Britain has to include all of the British, which England didn't until Edward I's conquest. I am not sure the Scots have ever been British, or at least those north of the northernmost wall weren't (hence the linguistic differences).
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Surely (almost) everyone on this island was British by virtue of er born and bred on the island
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
That is a modern definition of "British" though - the English didn't consider themselves as British until relatively recently (and indeed many still don't).
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
but we're not talking about being 'British' but about the existence of 'Britain.' And there's been one of them for a couple of millennia. It's just got a really vague meaning, as I think this last page or so demonstrates.
Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
I’m fuelling the growth of the far right. What that’s provable is it? My personal fault.
Well I think you are with your hopeless Lexit and endless trashing of other left and progressive folk.
‘Defending the status quo’ says you, desperate to deliver what the Rees-Mogg’s and Johnson’s demand. Happy to join in their illusory fantasy of ‘sovereignty’.
philosophical
Well-Known Member
Brexit in terms of the word 'leave' only happens with a hard 'border' on the island of Ireland.
This is the only usage of British that is unambiguous. Anything else and were here for a long time, as belboid notes.
philosophical
Well-Known Member
Isn't where somebody is born an accident of birth?
I suppose somebody can be geographically from the British isles...but it ends there and has no more significance than if a person is Geographically from a place called China.
Any other definition is about family and choice. I am born in Kent but owe nothing to others born there too because they happen to introduce the concept of nationality.
I suppose somebody can be geographically from the British isles...but it ends there and has no more significance than if a person is Geographically from a place called China.
Any other definition is about family and choice. I am born in Kent but owe nothing to others born there too because they happen to introduce the concept of nationality.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
I think being a boring cunt is probably an accident of birth as well, so you'll just have to buckle up and cope with it.
SpineyNorman
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I'm sure you think your making an incisive point, that people won't have considered this before. You're not.
SpineyNorman
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If you knew then you really should have mentioned this border thing before, why has it taken 936 pages for this issue to be raised?
SpineyNorman
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No, that one really is a personal failing for which only the boring person can be blamed.
philosophical
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philosophical
Well-Known Member
Fair enough. Although your certainly as to what I think is quite wrong, but if nationality has been mentioned before I take your point, after all every individual poster here is never repetitive, and always original...not.
philosophical
Well-Known Member
It has been raised before. As has the 'boring' stuff about 'lexit'.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
philosophical - Boring isn't an additional quality.
The ability to use the quote function might be though....
philosophical
Well-Known Member
I am not surprised you argue that being boring is not an additional quality.
I argue that it is an additional quality to enhance my cuntishness.
You are left with cuntishness alone, and might be jealous.
After all, it was your choice to respond abusively.
SpineyNorman
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'Has' it 'really'? Well I 'never'
SpineyNorman
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If I say you're definitely right about whatever it is you're on about and everyone else is wrong will you stop posting for a bit?
philosophical
Well-Known Member
Are you some kind of censor?
Put me on ignore if I bother you that much.
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