Is Brexit actually going to happen?
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Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
I was hoping a microphone would descend from the ceiling and they'd break into a rendition of Underneath the Arches. Disappointed.it's no more than Brexit bill to be introduced in early June
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Is this the same deal that’s been rejected three times already?
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
More to the point are labour going to support it? On one hand it would get rid of May by July and allow Britain to ‘move on’ from Brexit which sections to the media claim Labour is desperate to do (understandably given the absolute nonsense of a position they ended up in). On the other hand could May and Corbyn command a majority with loons of the ultra remain and No Deal numbers on both sides? Does labour want to be associated with a May deal even if it delivers the alignment to the neoliberal project labour policy demands? Finally, if the May deal tanks what happens then?
This type of nuanced tactical stuff isn’t Jeremy and co’s forte but crunch time is coming
This type of nuanced tactical stuff isn’t Jeremy and co’s forte but crunch time is coming
Yossarian
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SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
If he backs May's bill he's an idiot.
andysays
Love and solidarity
There's no way he will back May's original bill (the one that's been rejected 3 times by parliament) and these discussions were never about that.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
Sorry, poor phrasing - if he backs anything May brings at this point, he's an idiot.
Can't understand why Labour have given May this cover.The talks never looked likely to be productive and it is difficult to imagine that she would have been able to cling on in Downing Street, as she has, had she not been able to claim that someone,albeit her mortal enemy Jezza,was still talking to her
andysays
Love and solidarity
It would depend to some extent on what exactly was on offer, but it seems increasingly unlikely that anything productive which Corbyn can commit the Labour party to will result.
mx wcfc
Well-Known Member
It's about Labour demonstrating that they are being constructive about this rather than refusing to co-operate, which would have resulted in them being slagged off in the media and blamed for the Tory mess. Of course, that is still possible, but simply refusing to talk would have been worse.
Damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t. The best way to hurt May is enter into discussion with her. She will not be able to tolerate any ideas Corbyn puts forward. He can walk away in the knowledge that it’s her intransigence that’s the problem.
He has tried to offer an acceptable compromise and his offers will probably be refused.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
It is, but labour are also desperate for brexit to ‘go away’ and for the focus to return to other issues. Given the imminent kicking both parties are going to get, a deal - especially one where labour is seen to move the tories, and where they get credit for ‘solving it’ - will be of serious attraction to some in labour
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andysays
Love and solidarity
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Given the inevitable defeat of the May deal and then Tory leadership competition their new leader is going to have about 8-10 weeks to box off a ‘new’ deal with the EU and get it through the HoC. 
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Who in labour?
Yes, its all very amicable and rehearsed.
Not really. Its both sides agreeing that they tried but situations out of their control prevented it going further. The mess in government is blindingly obvious, even May knows it. They have stayed clear of blaming the other side.
That's just stating the obvious though. It's both sides agreeing not to blame each other which is what usually happen when talks fail.
AnandLeo
Tipple Ripple
Brexit negotiations between the government and the Labour party have stalled without agreement. This is because, I think there is no commitment for a resolve among the participants. They have an idea of what they are negotiating. However, no one has taken the ownership to reach an agreement. It is the determination to reach an agreement that is crucial. It is right to start the cross-party negotiations with the Labour party. However, the other parties, the SNP, UDP, and Lib Dems should involve in the process to monitor, support and apply peer pressure preventing astray and negative speculation. Cross-party collective should manage the negotiation in the national interest. I know, there are big divisions in both Tory and Labour party MPs which is putting pressure for non-compromise. Without the ownership and resolute collective decision, it is just a public relation exercise.
Conservative party is preoccupied with ousting Theresa May from leadership. They don’t have anyone else to do better in the Brexit crisis.
This is all parliamentary democracy. One-MP one-vote. It is not strategic planning or decision-making. Brexit decision ought to be a strategic decision in national interest. Parliament is sleepwalking to medieval society.
Conservative party is preoccupied with ousting Theresa May from leadership. They don’t have anyone else to do better in the Brexit crisis.
This is all parliamentary democracy. One-MP one-vote. It is not strategic planning or decision-making. Brexit decision ought to be a strategic decision in national interest. Parliament is sleepwalking to medieval society.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
I'll start practising my carolingian miniscule again then.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
no it isn't
gosub
~#
French won't bother building castes when they lord it over us this time
not-bono-ever
meh
some article in the guardian equating the UK atm to Weimar germany. nothing like hyperbole to fill some space. meh
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