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Did anyone hear Tom Watson on Today this morning? Did he really say this?
Asked whether Labour wanted to leave or remain in the EU, he told Radio 4's Today: "We are a remain and reform party," but "when it comes to a deal people can form their own view".

Is this just Watson expressing his own view/wish, or is there something more significant going on?
 
The 'reform' bit seems to have popped up from nowhere. It makes sense to say that if you want to build some kind of remain case, but I don't remember it being part of Labour's headline strategy at least. I've been critical of Corbyn and the more leave minded Labour leaders, but this also shows how weak the remain lot have been. It's been one long wail about getting a second vote, no attempt to go beyond that or build a real case as to why Labour should support the EU
 
The 'reform' bit seems to have popped up from nowhere. It makes sense to say that if you want to build some kind of remain case, but I don't remember it being part of Labour's headline strategy at least. I've been critical of Corbyn and the more leave minded Labour leaders, but this also shows how weak the remain lot have been. It's been one long wail about getting a second vote, no attempt to go beyond that or build a real case as to why Labour should support the EU

I've heard the term 'remain and reform' quite a bit to be fair, clearly Watson has borrowed it. It seems to be an attempt to deal with that, but I haven't seen anyone say what it is that should be reformed or how it should be done.
 
I've heard the term 'remain and reform' quite a bit to be fair, clearly Watson has borrowed it. It seems to be an attempt to deal with that, but I haven't seen anyone say what it is that should be reformed or how it should be done.
Ta. Suppose it all adds to the fun - a referendum nobody asked for, a vote that was never really about the EU, Corbyn just about deciding to back remain, random shadow cabinet bods popping up to assert what Labour's position is. In those circumstances, I'm astonished voters aren't flocking to Labour. :confused:
 
Good luck reforming the EU once all our MEP's are Faragian rent-a-gobs.

To be fair I don't think the EU Parliament could really stop the Council of Ministers doing very much. If it wanted to. I of course await the day when the Council of Ministers decide that it's time to abandon neoliberalism with baited breath.
 
I have this as season 5 at least. You'd think they could at least clarify that!
It's a bit like Lost they started with some original ideas but soon realised they had no idea where they were going with the plot. There is a one off special next week.
 
May to meet Corbyn this evening apparently. So may be some sort of announcement due (probably cessation of talks).
 
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