Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[Santino]

So do I, I voted Remain because I believed (still do) that in both the short and long term it is in the best interests of the population of country of the UK, the EU and the world in general, I'm not saying the EU is perfect far from it.

Then why not just say that instead of claiming that the treatment of Greece was irrelevant to the subject of leaving/staying in the EU?

 

[Santino]

Out of interest, what political grouping do you believe me to be aligned with?

Centrist Dads.

 

[BemusedbyLife]

Then why not just say that instead of claiming that the treatment of Greece was irrelevant to the subject of leaving/staying in the EU?

Fair point perhaps I waffle too much when I get worked up

 

[SpookyFrank]

Balkan comparisons are not helpful. The peoples of former Yugoslavia had a history of internecine animosity, forcible union, venal politicians exploiting national differences for political gain etc.

And we've had none of that here?

 

[redsquirrel]

Out of interest, what political grouping do you believe me to be aligned with?

Neo-liberal filth. Hence your support for New Labour, for some shitty "National Coalition", your defence of the EU and economics.

 

[Pickman's model]

Of course I do and so do you willingly or otherwise

yeh. there's some cognitive dissonance here, chuck, where you say they can't be expected to take responsibility for the world's problems but they're expected iyo to benefit from them. yeh, i do benefit from where i live. but i also realise my responsibility for problems elsewhere and in my own small way i do my best to minimise my responsibility for them. for example, you won't catch me knowingly buying produce from the zionist entity or food out of season here which has been flown in from the nether reaches of the world.

 

[Santino]

Fair point perhaps I waffle too much when I get worked up

So what is to be done about the EU's general policies towards Greece, and other countries that may (will) get into similar problems?

 

[SpookyFrank]

Centrist Dads.

I think I saw them playing a set of Paul Weller covers in the back room of my local last week.

 

[Winot]

Wrong person to ask, he's in favour the politics that has seen inequality rise to the level of Victorian times, the transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich and the murders in Greece.

What's mad is supposed socialists thinking that this prick is in any way an ally.

Do you actually want allies? Your posting style suggests otherwise.

 

[DotCommunist]

I think I saw them playing a set of Paul Weller covers in the back room of my local last week.

they were supporting Whiggish Prick and The Remainers. 12 quid on the door

 

[BemusedbyLife]

yeh. there's some cognitive dissonance here, chuck, where you say they can't be expected to take responsibility for the world's problems but they're expected iyo to benefit from them. yeh, i do benefit from where i live. but i also realise my responsibility for problems elsewhere and in my own small way i do my best to minimise my responsibility for them. for example, you won't catch me knowingly buying produce from the zionist entity or food out of season here which has been flown in from the nether reaches of the world.

Good for you but couldn't you do more such as give away most of salary?, I'm not suggesting you should but at some point everyone has to accept we've done whats' reasonable not what's possible, if you've found that point I'm pleased for you.

 

[redsquirrel]

Do you actually want allies? Your posting style suggests otherwise.

How can I (a communist) ally with someone who supports, and indeed wants an extension of, the very political system that I believe is responsible for so much damage to society? That supports the politics that has seen the welfare state taken apart and inequality rise to a level equal to that at the beginning of the 20th century, that supports the structures and systems that are currently killing people both in Greece and in the UK.

 

[Pickman's model]

Good for you but couldn't you do more such as give away most of salary?, I'm not suggesting you should but at some point everyone has to accept we've done whats' reasonable not what's possible, if you've found that point I'm pleased for you.

i give most of my salary away already.

 

[Winot]

How can I (a communist) ally with someone who supports, and indeed wants an extension of, the very political system that I believe is responsible for so much damage to society? That supports the politics that has seen the welfare state taken apart and inequality rise to a level equal to that at the beginning of the 20th century, that supports the structures and systems that are currently killing people both in Greece and in the UK.

I'm suggesting that if you want to persuade more people to join your cause you might lay off the personal abuse.

 

[Santino]

they were supporting Whiggish Prick and The Remainers. 12 quid on the door

Very disappointed when the former Octet bassist Otto D'Esque joined them.

 

[Silas Loom]

Neo-liberal filth. Hence your support for New Labour, for some shitty "National Coalition", your defence of the EU and economics.

New Labour without a doubt, the national coalition only as a response to the current, and very odd, circumstances. But yes, your dislike of me seems to be reasonably well informed. Carry on!

 

[redsquirrel]

I'm suggesting that if you want to persuade more people to join your cause you might lay off the personal abuse.

Silas isn't going to join "my side". He's been posting his crap forever. There's a time for persuasion and there's a time for calling pricks pricks.

 

[DotCommunist]

oh grow up winot. Fair words are as oft to hide foul deeds as an honest fuck you is to tell the real feeling

New Labour without a doubt, the national coalition only as a response to the current, and very odd, circumstances. But yes, your dislike of me seems to be reasonably well informed. Carry on!

the labour party, all branches, rejected blair and all his works before brexit

 

[BemusedbyLife]

So what is to be done about the EU's general policies towards Greece, and other countries that may (will) get into similar problems?

I personally would like to see Greece given more breathing space, longer to pay back the money and lower interest rates (like maybe 0%), obviously the EU can't just write the money off but its priority should be getting the Greek economy back on its feet not preventing the bankers from losing their shirts.
The Greek government needs to get its act together and sort out corruption and collect taxes properly but it seems to me that if the EU was willing to write a equivalent amount of debt off on the understanding that the collected taxes were re-invested back into the local economy that would probably help as well.

 

[Silas Loom]

Centrist Dads.

I really like that term, and am delighted that it has been reclaimed by the CD movement.

 

[Pickman's model]

He's been posting his crap forever.

the forever bore

 

[Silas Loom]

the labour party, all branches, rejected blair and all his works before brexit

Iraq aside, that's simply not true.

 

[Santino]

I personally would like to see Greece given more breathing space, longer to pay back the money and lower interest rates (like maybe 0%), obviously the EU can't just write the money off but its priority should be getting the Greek economy back on its feet not preventing the bankers from losing their shirts.
The Greek government needs to get its act together and sort out corruption and collect taxes properly but it seems to me that if the EU was willing to write a equivalent amount of debt off on the understanding that the collected taxes were re-invested back into the local economy that would probably help as well.

So what's the plan?

 

[DotCommunist]

I personally would like to see Greece given more breathing space, longer to pay back the money and lower interest rates (like maybe 0%), obviously the EU can't just write the money off but its priority should be getting the Greek economy back on its feet not preventing the bankers from losing their shirts.
The Greek government needs to get its act together and sort out corruption and collect taxes properly but it seems to me that if the EU was willing to write a equivalent amount of debt off on the understanding that the collected taxes were re-invested back into the local economy that would probably help as well.

do you recon any democratically elected greek party already attempted to negotiate that sort of thing? And got told to go swivel?

 

[Pickman's model]

I personally would like to see Greece given more breathing space, longer to pay back the money and lower interest rates (like maybe 0%), obviously the EU can't just write the money off but its priority should be getting the Greek economy back on its feet not preventing the bankers from losing their shirts.
The Greek government needs to get its act together and sort out corruption and collect taxes properly but it seems to me that if the EU was willing to write a equivalent amount of debt off on the understanding that the collected taxes were re-invested back into the local economy that would probably help as well.

perhaps the germans might give them back their gold too

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I personally would like to see Greece given more breathing space, longer to pay back the money and lower interest rates (like maybe 0%), obviously the EU can't just write the money off but its priority should be getting the Greek economy back on its feet not preventing the bankers from losing their shirts.
The Greek government needs to get its act together and sort out corruption and collect taxes properly but it seems to me that if the EU was willing to write a equivalent amount of debt off on the understanding that the collected taxes were re-invested back into the local economy that would probably help as well.

They can, and should, write off the money. They'll have to eventually.

But that still doesn't answer the question to santino - how does brexit help Greece?

 

[Silas Loom]

I personally would like to see Greece given more breathing space, longer to pay back the money and lower interest rates (like maybe 0%), obviously the EU can't just write the money off but its priority should be getting the Greek economy back on its feet not preventing the bankers from losing their shirts.
The Greek government needs to get its act together and sort out corruption and collect taxes properly but it seems to me that if the EU was willing to write a equivalent amount of debt off on the understanding that the collected taxes were re-invested back into the local economy that would probably help as well.

Greece doesn't owe the EU any money.

 

[Santino]

I can't imagine that any sensible Remain voters didn't have a workable plan for reforming the EU.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I can't imagine that any sensible Remain voters didn't have a workable plan for reforming the EU.

How does brexit help Greece?

 

[BemusedbyLife]

do you recon any democratically elected greek party already attempted to negotiate that sort of thing? And got told to go swivel?

Of course I do but they weren't negotiating with me or you were they?