DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
corbyn makes new jam, may scrapes the mould off of old jam. Message.
Is Brexit actually going to happen?
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kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
Yes, one of them is a consumerist wastrel.
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Combustible
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The problem being that much of of the "other sources of support" are remainers much like the "NuLab liberals", and if Corbyn followed them he would be calling for a second referendum/cancellation of Brexit.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Why?
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
I am reading what you've said. You've specifically argued against workers controlling their own conditions - for the EU/national government to decide what's best for them and lay off workers.
And when you are arguing for that it's pointless to try and separate an aim and "the least miserable hope".
You've specifically called for workers to be taken out of the equation. That politics has changed and so needs to come from the first place from parliament (or at least some type of party organisation).
And yet you want to channel support to those doing the attacking and any from the workers.
On a different thread chilango talked about how communities could take control of migration policy. The idea he floated with swiftly shot down by people who if they didn't consider them socialists at least would consider themselves on "the left", because fundamentally they were afraid of the choices people might make. And that's a core point, I want workers to control who gets to work in a workplace, how housing is allocated, how they deal with climate change. Yes sometimes the choices people will make won't be in agreement with my personal preferences but for me that's not an argument against workers control.[/QUOTE]
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mauvais
on reddit or something
Because you've done this before, presumably you're on about how I think climate change can only be minimised, if at all, top-down by international government. Yep, still think that. Guess what? Doesn't apply to everything or indeed all that much. And if that's not the point you're attempting to extrapolate from, then be specific.
As for Birmingham, I don't live there, but I can imagine voting for a Labour council if I felt it kept out a worse one (thus, least miserable) and then still supporting the strike. If the former is seen in binary terms as channeling support against the latter then so be it.
As for Birmingham, I don't live there, but I can imagine voting for a Labour council if I felt it kept out a worse one (thus, least miserable) and then still supporting the strike. If the former is seen in binary terms as channeling support against the latter then so be it.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
No, I don't see it that way - I think most Corbyn supporters are Remain because they're nauseated by the Tory right and UKIP. I don't think they see EU membership as more important than say, austerity. So I think they could be won to a vision of 'Leave' that is totally opposed to the Farage/Johnson vision. As opposed to the New Labour types, for whom EU membership is far more important than anything else.
Some of the brighter second ref types have been making the point that most voters don't think the EU is anywhere near as important as the NHS, jobs, education etc. That's true but it cuts both ways - lots of remain voters could accept leaving if they felt certain that Corbyn would sort out the NHS crisis, stop austerity, create jobs etc.
sleaterkinney
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Christ....
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
Because I think he's doing pretty well in the polls even though at the moment he's mostly fucking up. The Tories are hated enough and in enough of a mess that if he had a coherent program that offered something positive people could have some hope in he'd be 20 points ahead.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
Nobody is sure what you're talking about, apart from yourself.Don't worry I wasn't talking about you.
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
I want a second ref to bin brexit.
I want a Labour government to end austerity.
I want Corbyn gone so we can get a Labour government.
Simple .
I want a Labour government to end austerity.
I want Corbyn gone so we can get a Labour government.
Simple .
Supine
Newt Member
I don't think he's entirely sure himself
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
Well there's no way you're getting all of those things. So you're gonna have to pick. But don't worry - we already know what you'll decide.
Not read the news all day as busy but see that Ford are ready to halt all UK manufacturing.
Ford ‘preparing to pull 5,000 manufacturing jobs out of UK’
Should be fine eh? Just them, Nissan, Airbus and a load others. Hopefully Poundland, Wetherspoons and Foxtons will hang on and keep Britain great
Ford ‘preparing to pull 5,000 manufacturing jobs out of UK’
Should be fine eh? Just them, Nissan, Airbus and a load others. Hopefully Poundland, Wetherspoons and Foxtons will hang on and keep Britain great
We will all be scraping the mould off jam, it will be our only source of penicillin.
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(((sleaterkinney)))
Who do you have in mind to replace Corbyn?
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Yeh simple
Wookey
Muppet is not a slur
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
That is one example yes. Another is here where you specifically cite parliamentary (or party) politics as the most important factor in improving conditions for labour. I'm sorry but I don't think that I'm misrepresenting your position from those posts
IMO voting is pretty much apolitical so I don't disagree with you on that but your previous posts go a bit further than merely voting. You're arguing for party politics over class politics.
Wonderful, we can have a Labour government implementing "austerity" instead of a Tory one, just like 97-05.
Wookey
Muppet is not a slur
Even though Big Bird would not have choreographed as many photo ops as Caroline Flint!
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
Emily Thornberry seems alright. You could keep McDonnell in there.
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
In life, you don't always get what you want.(((sleaterkinney)))
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Not surprised you want a lib dem running the Labour party
Would the electoral forces behind Corbyn's fudge on Brexit magically change under Thornberry?
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But you might find you get what you need
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