Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[CRI]

There was something about Scots and deep fried mars bars

 

[butchersapron]

The fools are now tutting at each other. Great.

 

[DexterTCN]

There was something about Scots and deep fried mars bars

Yes, directed at me and I certainly took it as racist.

Pointless saying that to these cunts though. CRI hasn't blocked enough of them imo.

 

[kebabking]

Have you not seen social media posts, the comments on tv and radio, etc., from people who support leave and reports of racist and xenophobic attacks from people who support leave - especially the No Deal version of it? I mean, you don't have to look hard to find examples.

And are people here so delicate that every criticism of Leave supporters has to be predicated by a "not all Leavers" caveat? Cripes. If you support leaving - even no deal and you "know" you aren't racist, it's not about you!...

i take it you caveat your posts about remaining and remainers with examples of the disgusting attitudes of some who voted remain?

suggestions that poor people - who were more likely to vote leave - shouldn't be allowed to vote because they aren't educated enough to see the real issues.

suggestions that a good way to have good politics is to have a property qualification - no property, no vote.

threads about how amusing it is when global corporations use the excuse of brexit (and perhaps sometimes they are telling the truth) to close large employers in relatively poor, leave voting areas: ha! thicky racists - serves you right...

tl:dr. you're a cunt, and not just a cunt, but not very bright, nor very interesting - a dull cunt, the very worst kind.

 

[danny la rouge]

This thread really is a treat.

 

[butchersapron]

Heaven forfend a stereotype argues a nationalist.

 

[teuchter]

The fools are now tutting at each other. Great.

Excellent non-tutting post - good work.

 

[MickiQ]

In which ways will you cease being European, and in which ways will you continue to be European?

In a crash-out what we will lose is the right to travel, live, work and retire anywhere we want in the EU, it's clear that a very significant proportion of the UK population and a lot of posters on U75 don't think these rights are actually worth having. I can find you several people who would think otherwise including one friend/former colleague who now finds himself in a position where he has to make a stark choice.
Take up German citizenship and due to their arcane citizenship laws renounce his British one or return in his mid-50's to a country he no longer calls home and has neither home nor job.
For extra LOL's he's gay and feels he's can be open about it in his German workplace and is highly doubtful he could be here.

Being 'European' as opposed to holding supra-state citizenship; one is essentially a geographical descriptor of populations and the other a relationship between people and a polity.
tbh, I reckon the supra-state missed a trick with the UK popuation...I think they should have insisted that UK citizens had the right to retain supra-state citizenship whatever the state decided to do.

I can't imagine them doing that what would be in it for the EU? The EU is not some evil empire out to crush us but it isn't benevolent and does nothing out of kindness. Freedom of movement is the biggest plus for individuals, there is no way it would give that to citizens of a country outside the EU without something or a lot of somethings in return.
This is why the Irish Passport Office is currently snowed under with applications from NI

Are you suggesting the EU has been buffering the drive to privatise the NHS like?

The NHS has pretty much a monopoly on drug purchases in this country, a fact that gives it immense leverage when negotiating drug prices with largely American companies, Most speciality drugs cost about
a third here of what they do in the US (still making obscene profits though). Big Pharma in the US is lobbying Congress hard to make sure that any US-UK Trade Deal will cover this and restrict the NHS's
ability to do this. It doesn't necessarily mean they will succeed but the US has the same advantage over us that the EU does of a much larger economy and thus more able to call the shots.
Even a left wing Corbyn-led government (never mind the current shower) might find itself with the stark choice of a trade deal that protects 100,000's of export dependent jobs or a massive cost burden on the NHS.

 

[butchersapron]

Excellent non-tutting post - good work.

I so want to brixton.

 

[Wilf]

The fools are now tutting at each other. Great.

They are quite a disparate group, with different talents and outlooks. Maybe they need a title to bring them together.
#Brevengers Assemble.

 

[butchersapron]

In a crash-out what we will lose is the right to travel, live, work and retire anywhere we want in the EU, it's clear that a very significant proportion of the UK population and a lot of posters on U75 don't think these rights are actually worth having. I can find you several people who would think otherwise including one friend/former colleague who now finds himself in a position where he has to make a stark choice.
Take up German citizenship and due to their arcane citizenship laws renounce his British one or return in his mid-50's to a country he no longer calls home and has neither home nor job.
For extra LOL's he's gay and feels he's can be open about it in his German workplace and is highly doubtful he could be here.

What? You still can. He still can. What rights are the EU imposing?

 

[Wilf]

suggestions that poor people - who were more likely to vote leave - shouldn't be allowed to vote because they aren't educated enough to see the real issues.

.

… and the elderly.

 

[danny la rouge]

In a crash-out what we will lose is the right to travel, live, work and retire anywhere we want in the EU, it's clear that a very significant proportion of the UK population and a lot of posters on U75 don't think these rights are actually worth having. I can find you several people who would think otherwise including one friend/former colleague who now finds himself in a position where he has to make a stark choice.
Take up German citizenship and due to their arcane citizenship laws renounce his British one or return in his mid-50's to a country he no longer calls home and has neither home nor job.
For extra LOL's he's gay and feels he's can be open about it in his German workplace and is highly doubtful he could be here.

Since you appear to have addressed a different question to the one asked, I’m not entirely sure how to respond. However, your friend has my sympathy. He clearly doesn’t deserve the bureaucratic nightmare, or its consequences.

 

[MickiQ]

What? You still can. He still can. What rights are the EU imposing?

Not sure what you're asking

 

[SpineyNorman]

There's a suffragette poster where they had images of scruffy and obviously irresponsible working class men who were getting the franchise and it basically said you need us 'respectable' women to vote too to counteract their idiocy. Can we all pretend I posted it for cri's benefit? Can't be arsed to look for it.

 

[butchersapron]

Not sure what you're asking

I'm saying that the bit of yours that i quoted is mental.

 

[butchersapron]

There's a suffragette poster where they had images of scruffy and obviously irresponsible working class men who were getting the franchise and it basically said you need us 'respectable' women to vote too to counteract their idiocy. Can we all pretend I posted it for cri's benefit? Can't be arsed to look for it.

ladies vs women

 

[Sue]

I can find you several people who would think otherwise including one friend/former colleague who now finds himself in a position where he has to make a stark choice.
Take up German citizenship and due to their arcane citizenship laws renounce his British one or return in his mid-50's to a country he no longer calls home and has neither home nor job.

No longer true, changed a few years ago. I've a German friend who's lived here for a very long time who got dual German-British citizenship a year or so ago. (She had to do the citizenship test and provide lots of paperwork but that's pretty standard.)

 

[Wilf]

In a crash-out what we will lose is the right to travel, live, work and retire anywhere we want in the EU, it's clear that a very significant proportion of the UK population and a lot of posters on U75 don't think these rights are actually worth having. I can find you several people who would think otherwise including one friend/former colleague who now finds himself in a position where he has to make a stark choice.
Take up German citizenship and due to their arcane citizenship laws renounce his British one or return in his mid-50's to a country he no longer calls home and has neither home nor job.
For extra LOL's he's gay and feels he's can be open about it in his German workplace and is highly doubtful he could be here.

I can't imagine them doing that what would be in it for the EU? The EU is not some evil empire out to crush us but it isn't benevolent and does nothing out of kindness. Freedom of movement is the biggest plus for individuals, there is no way it would give that to citizens of a country outside the EU without something or a lot of somethings in return.
This is why the Irish Passport Office is currently snowed under with applications from NI

The NHS has pretty much a monopoly on drug purchases in this country, a fact that gives it immense leverage when negotiating drug prices with largely American companies, Most speciality drugs cost about
a third here of what they do in the US (still making obscene profits though). Big Pharma in the US is lobbying Congress hard to make sure that any US-UK Trade Deal will cover this and restrict the NHS's
ability to do this. It doesn't necessarily mean they will succeed but the US has the same advantage over us that the EU does of a much larger economy and thus more able to call the shots.
Even a left wing Corbyn-led government (never mind the current shower) might find itself with the stark choice of a trade deal that protects 100,000's of export dependent jobs or a massive cost burden on the NHS.

I know I'm not addressing the actual points you raise, but SpineyNorman 's point a day or two back should be the starting point for any kind of response:

I don't see the point in supporting or opposing it. It's not my issue, both sides are my enemies and there's fuck all I can do to influence it.

 

[danny la rouge]

I know I'm not addressing the actual points you raise, but SpineyNorman 's point a day or two back should be the starting point for any kind of response:

Indeed. It needs to be on every page.

Hope you’re well, btw.

 

[MickiQ]

Not true, changed a few years ago. I've a German friend who's lived here for a very long time who got dual German-British citizenship a year or so ago. (She had to do the citizenship test and provide lots of paperwork but that's pretty standard.)

Under German law, you can only have dual citizenship IF you acquired the German one through birth (like the children of GI's who have a German parent) OR the other country is a member of the EU (which we currently are) If we leave then the 2nd rule won't apply anymore (unless something is agreed). Under UK Law you can have as many citizenships as you like.

 

[Wilf]

Indeed. It needs to be on every page.

Hope you’re well, btw.

Yeah, not so bad thanks. It was just a nerve root block, but because it was spinal they do it in surgery. In at 8, op, brew and biscuits and out by 10.

 

[butchersapron]

Yeah, not so bad thanks. It was just a nerve root block, but because it was spinal they do it in surgery. In at 8, op, brew and biscuits and out by 10.

8 special brew. Best in world.

 

[danny la rouge]

Yeah, not so bad thanks. It was just a nerve root block, but because it was spinal they do it in surgery. In at 8, op, brew and biscuits and out by 10.

Good, take care.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Have you not seen social media posts, the comments on tv and radio, etc., from people who support leave and reports of racist and xenophobic attacks from people who support leave - especially the No Deal version of it? I mean, you don't have to look hard to find examples.

And are people here so delicate that every criticism of Leave supporters has to be predicated by a "not all Leavers" caveat? Cripes. If you support leaving - even no deal and you "know" you aren't racist, it's not about you!

For those having palpitations from the advert I posted for Sunlight soap - drawing attention to racism =/= racism.

Won't be difficult for you to provide examples of other posters here who share your love of racist cartoons then will it?

 

[Wilf]

8 special brew. Best in world.

I was hoping for a cheeky pre med, but none was offered.

 

[Sue]

Under German law, you can only have dual citizenship IF you acquired the German one through birth (like the children of GI's who have a German parent) OR the other country is a member of the EU (which we currently are) If we leave then the 2nd rule won't apply anymore (unless something is agreed). Under UK Law you can have as many citizenships as you like.

So if it was that much of an issue for your friend, did they not think about this before? (I know my friend waited until a change in the law as before she would've had to give up her German passport and she wanted both.)

ETA Or just going for German citizenship would surely be easier? I've a friend who's lived in France for 30 years who'd currently in the process of getting French citizenship. He never bothered before because he didn't need to but can't realistically see himself moving back here. He's not that bothered whether he has a GB or French passport tbh.

 

[SpackleFrog]

I was hoping for a cheeky pre med, but none was offered.

If you don't ask you don't get. Cutbacks

 

[Serge Forward]

Under German law, you can only have dual citizenship IF you acquired the German one through birth (like the children of GI's who have a German parent) OR the other country is a member of the EU (which we currently are) If we leave then the 2nd rule won't apply anymore (unless something is agreed). Under UK Law you can have as many citizenships as you like.

I'm confused... one of my sons has restored German citizenship (his grandad's was revoked by the Nazis) along with his original British citizenship. Does that mean he loses his German citizenship now? Surely not

 

[andysays]

Christ - Sunlight is written on the advert. Plenty who support Brexit seem keen to return to the "good old days" of those adverts with the shite they spout, so there you go.

"Sunlight is written on the advert"

Utterly pathetic.

Has anyone on this thread or any other posted anything which even hints at support for a return to the days when that shit was seen as acceptable?

Your continued attempts to smear as racist those who don't agree with you are frankly disgusting.