Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[danny la rouge]

There's no such thing as an EU citizen there is being a citizen of an EU [snip] country

That is what confers EU citizenship.

See:

EU citizenship

 

[MickiQ]

That is what confers EU citizenship.

See:

EU citizenship

That's pretty much what I said, It's more like an add-on rather than true citizenship but if you wish to be pedantic I will conceed the point and agree that its called EU citizenship.

 

[SpackleFrog]

In case anyone is interested, Paddy Power are offering 1/4 on A50 being extended.

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Interestingly, they are offering the same odds (1/4) against a no deal Brexit, which they define as an agreement being reached or A50 being extended. So it doesn't seem like they think a deal is likely either.

Not that bookies are much better than polls. But they're a bit better.

 

[MickiQ]

In case anyone is interested, Paddy Power are offering 1/4 on A50 being extended.

Online Betting & Odds | Bet with Paddy Power Sports

Interestingly, they are offering the same odds (1/4) against a no deal Brexit, which they define as an agreement being reached or A50 being extended. So it doesn't seem like they think a deal is likely either.

Not that bookies are much better than polls. But they're a bit better.

Bookies unlike politicians are at least honest about why they are doing things.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Bookies unlike politicians are at least honest about why they are doing things.

Well...no. It's Paddy Power. There's a reason they're offering so many silly bets on Brexit.

 

[brogdale]

Regrettably Williamson is actually channelling his own ability and personality. Rather sadly, he seem like the sort who was bullied at school and we're living out the consequences of that.

Seems to ranting like a maniac today...

 

[Wilf]

Williams warming to his theme now. Our future lethality will be 'swarms of drones'.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...rexit-says-defence-secretary-gavin-Williamson
I suspect this was how the Butlerian Jihad kicked off in Dune. Self aware photocopiers giving you a kick in the shins.

Edit: curses!

 

[Pickman's model]

Seems to ranting like a maniac today...

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so our swarms of drones will be unopposed by russia or china. right.

 

[Wilf]

"What do you mean Flash Gordon approaching? Open fire! All weapons! Dispatch war rocket Ajax The Jacob Rees-Mogg Drone Swarm to bring back his body"

 

[Pickman's model]

"What do you mean Flash Gordon approaching? Open fire! All weapons! Dispatch war rocket Ajax The Jacob Rees-Mogg Drone Swarm to bring back his body"

you're forgetting one thing.

there will no longer be putting williams and his loathsome ilk up against the wall.

we will just unleash swarms of drones against the vermin instead.

the ones who don't get sent to the south atlantic anyway

 

[Wilf]

so our swarms of drones will be unopposed by russia or china. right.

I look forward to Putin making him apologise in the style of Peter Ohanrahanraham in The Day Today.

"LOOK LIKE YOU MEAN IT!"

 

[brogdale]

Gavlar and his Airfix squad vrs...

 

[Wilf]

TBH he's probably going to get arrested for flying his new toys at Heathrow.

 

[butchersapron]

Well...no. It's Paddy Power. There's a reason they're offering so many silly bets on Brexit.

3-1 on before the ireland game.

 

[Serge Forward]

Under Article 116 of Germany's constitution, known as the Basic Law,[8] anyone who had their German citizenship revoked during the Nazi regime for "political, racist, or religious reasons" may reobtain citizenship. The Article also includes the descendants of Nazi victims, and does not require them to give up the citizenship of their new home countries.[9]

Cheers for that I tried to get him to learn German as well, seeing he's now a German citizen. Said I'd even learn it with him, moral support and all that... but he just couldn't be arsed, the lazy sod

 

[two sheds]

Cheers for that I tried to get him to learn German as well, seeing he's now a German citizen. Said I'd even learn it with him, moral support and all that... but he just couldn't be arsed, the lazy sod

A dutch mate did once say to me that Life's too short to learn German.

 

[AnandLeo]

Prime Minister Theresa May has apparently rejected the Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn’s idea of a custom’s union. She says a custom’s union does not give a smooth trading relation, single market does, albeit with free movement – the Labour party or Tory government does not agree to. However, she is willing to discuss other issues the Corbyn has put forward. The key issue in an amicable Brexit that benefits both UK and EU is smooth trade relation for the business, industry, and supply chain.

In my opinion, the strategy is to explore the approaches of a custom’s union, and single market with a reformed free movement for tourists, and opportunity for EU citizens to work in UK without displacing the permanent inhabitants of the UK. The temporary seasonal EU labour is vital to UK economy. Also, the permanent migrant workers of all occupations are also important to UK as long as it does not make UK residents unemployed. The essential NHS care for migrant workers can be managed through primary care, and compulsory insurances. Unemployment benefit can also be managed as applied currently for temporary and permanent migrant workers.

It is not a custom’s union or single market terms applied across the EU, that we are talking about. The UK wants to negotiate a new unique bilateral agreement of custom’s union or single market compatible with EU, with compromised fee movement whichever is less intricate, and feasible without having to muddle with a backstop for Irish border. Free movement can be sensibly compromised and reformed. It is a basis for fresh negotiation without preconceived cynicism.

 

[teuchter]

It is not a custom’s union or single market terms applied across the EU, that we are talking about. The UK wants to negotiate a new unique bilateral agreement of custom’s union or single market compatible with EU, with compromised fee movement whichever is less intricate, and feasible without having to muddle with a backstop for Irish border. Free movement can be sensibly compromised and reformed. It is a basis for fresh negotiation without preconceived cynicism.

Sounds like it'll all be fine then.

 

[Crispy]

Bit late for that isn't it?

 

[Pickman's model]

It'll be alright on the night

 

[mojo pixy]

Break a leg!

 

[gentlegreen]

The government would have to shell out for sufficient staff to make it work - they clearly figure it's cheaper to not enforce immigration law adequately ...

 

[brogdale]

The government would have to shell out for sufficient staff to make it work - they clearly figure it's cheaper to not enforce immigration law adequately ...

Border Force reckon a 'No-Deal' exit is the way to maintain free movement:

 

[brogdale]

Really deserved to be on the side of the big red lie-bus; "enhance our lethality and increase our mass"



What an absolute fucking clown

 

[gentlegreen]

They're really scraping the barrel now...

 

[brogdale]

They're really scraping the barrel now...

Really wouldn't trust that one to put yer bins out, would you?

 

[DexterTCN]

Really wouldn't trust that one to put yer bins out, would you?

There's people here who don't know how to do that

 

[MickiQ]

Prime Minister Theresa May has apparently rejected the Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn’s idea of a custom’s union. She says a custom’s union does not give a smooth trading relation, single market does, albeit with free movement – the Labour party or Tory government does not agree to. However, she is willing to discuss other issues the Corbyn has put forward. The key issue in an amicable Brexit that benefits both UK and EU is smooth trade relation for the business, industry, and supply chain.

In my opinion, the strategy is to explore the approaches of a custom’s union, and single market with a reformed free movement for tourists, and opportunity for EU citizens to work in UK without displacing the permanent inhabitants of the UK. The temporary seasonal EU labour is vital to UK economy. Also, the permanent migrant workers of all occupations are also important to UK as long as it does not make UK residents unemployed. The essential NHS care for migrant workers can be managed through primary care, and compulsory insurances. Unemployment benefit can also be managed as applied currently for temporary and permanent migrant workers.

It is not a custom’s union or single market terms applied across the EU, that we are talking about. The UK wants to negotiate a new unique bilateral agreement of custom’s union or single market compatible with EU, with compromised fee movement whichever is less intricate, and feasible without having to muddle with a backstop for Irish border. Free movement can be sensibly compromised and reformed. It is a basis for fresh negotiation without preconceived cynicism.

So basically can we have all the bits we do like such as tariff free trade but not the bits we don't like such as the grubby forrins coming here?
This is what Farage promised and Davis was asking for at Day 1 and the EU laughed its head off, we're back at the you can't leave the club and keep all the benefits of membership jag again. This record is not only worn but the stylus has gone through and is destroying the turntable.

 

[SpackleFrog]

the EU laughed its head off

All 28 of them?

 

[grit]

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