Is Brexit actually going to happen?
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Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Not sure if we've reached peak Remaniac-ery now, but here's a Cambridge economist appearing nude on Good Morning Britain and challenging jrm to a (naked) debate.
Naked anti-Brexit campaigner challenges Rees-Mogg on live TV
She makes some arguable points justifying it on feminist grounds, but the real Partridgesque/The Day Today point comes because she's pixelated. That leaves Richard Madely reading out the slogans she has written on each breast. Words fail me (but not him, obviously)
Naked anti-Brexit campaigner challenges Rees-Mogg on live TV
She makes some arguable points justifying it on feminist grounds, but the real Partridgesque/The Day Today point comes because she's pixelated. That leaves Richard Madely reading out the slogans she has written on each breast. Words fail me (but not him, obviously)
teuchter
je suis teuchter
What do you mean by this exactly?
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
You know what he means. He means "surely the Remaniacs can get no dafter than this?"
They probably can though. You're definitely about to say something moronic and probably prove him wrong.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Why do you think she is daft though?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
because, as a broad rule, neither the electorate nor 'the elites' are swayed by the political arguments of streakers. they tend to get pigeon-holed as either exibitionists or loons, and therefore little weight is given to their arguments.
she has been effective at getting on telly - though you can't pretend that she's the first remainer to get on telly since june 2016 - that doesn't mean she's been effective at getting those watching to either pay attention to her argument or persaude them of it.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
This is very true. Erika Roe's message about the incoherence of Tory monetarist policy, predicated as it was on a fundamental misunderstanding of the way money is produced, was widely ignored.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
ericaThis is very true. Erika Roe's message about the incoherence of Tory monetarist policy, predicated as it was on a fundamental misunderstanding of the way money is produced, was widely ignored.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
If she wants to focus on jrm, she might want to emphasise his sick making attitudes to rape and abortion, to his refusal to raise a finger raising his own children and the rest. In fact she probably does think/say these things - but instead she ends up here denying what she's doing is a stunt. I'd suggest getting to a situation in a TV studio with Richard Madeley reading slogans off your breasts is a pretty weird 'stunt'. But the point about this being peak remainery is that it confirms the remain campaign is so distant from the real issues that lead to the Brexit vote. And on page 783 of this thread I'm not going to (re)type out what those issues are.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
I think I'd agree with that, sort of. It works, essentially, as a stunt. But that's itself a sign of the failure of remain as a wider campaign, from before the vote through to now. It isn't rooted in communities, it hasn't engaged with the reasons for the initial vote and the rest. I can't put that failure down to an individual who is probably being creative and PR savvy, but her performance on telly should be seen against that backdrop.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Ah, I see.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Aw fuck. teuchter's sat in the buff whilst typing this, isn't he
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
here, have some mind bleachAw fuck. teuchter's sat in the buff whilst typing this, isn't he
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
I know this is an utterly predictable point from me but...
...not any old naked body gets a platform to espouse their views in the national media.
The fact that this particular naked body belongs to a Cambridge professor with degrees from both Oxford and Cambridge probably counts more than simple nudity.
She also has a media platform already via Tim Montgomeries 'unherd' website fwiw.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
I feel like I've allowed teuchter to troll me into a clarification but here goes: there's a long history of nudity in protests (Critical Mass for example) and using nudity to demonstrate powerlessness against state violence. However playing this out in a tv studio with Richard Madelely acting as interpreter, along with a light dusting of jrm, is the weird bit. And it does fit into the problem remain have.
but here goes: there's a long history of nudity in protests (Critical Mass for example) and using nudity to demonstrate powerlessness against state violence. However playing this out in a tv studio with Richard Madelely acting as interpreter, along with a light dusting of jrm, is the weird bit. And it does fit into the problem remain have.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Now that you've read them, why don't you start a thread about them?
teuchter
je suis teuchter
I was actually just thinking about doing that.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
She was on Newsnight a week or two ago (talking about the middle east if I remember correctly). On that occasion she was clothed and I noted her dress style which is sort of Victorian-ish. This is part of the persona she's decided to present, and yes: doing stuff that makes you noticeable, in conjunction with being a Cambridge professor, makes you noticeable, and more likely to get asked onto the media and yes helps to sell books. If that's her strategy so what. It's maybe interesting to consider that in the context of her challenge to JRM who also uses and old-fashioned look to draw attention to himself. I think that if she could debate JRM that would be a good thing. I would like to see that. Perhaps she is not going to reach certain portions of the UK populace with her approach, but perhaps she can reach the attention of some of those who take JRM seriously. She is not daft, or a maniac. Anyway, it's good to see advocates of a Lexit position giving lectures on how to reach a wide audience without being perceived as a lunatic fringe.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
Others have provided you with sufficient answers but just to really zero in on it in a way that hopefully even you will understand.
-Remainiacs (as distinct from people who voted Remain) have spent nearly 3 years telling Leave voters and themselves that Leave voters just didn't understand the arguments, and if they would just listen to sensible people then they would understand that they voted the wrong way. Some of them have twigged that this has failed.
-Remainiacs have decided that this is not because there arguments are moronic (how could they be? These are the sensible people) but because right wing Brexiteers are given a free ride by the media and are telling a 'simple' story that people can understand. As opposed to the complicated story Remaniacs tell people which is correct, but too complicated for mere proles to get.
-This Remainiac has decided that in order to get the proles to listen, they have to do ludicrous stunts like, for example, naked tv debates. This is just a continuation of the whole "Tell people they voted the wrong way but wave Union Jacks about so that they'll listen" strategy - the genius innovation here being that "people will pay attention to a naked woman".
None of this will work though.
Are you simple? We already know what her views are.
Those of us who were not swayed by the argument over the last nearly 3 years are not going to be swayed by those arguments simply because she is naked.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
she hasn't got my attention. its just more white noise from someone who'se basic premise is that i'm thick and racist, and who quietly believes that i shouldn't really have a vote on scuh things, and that i should know my station and stick to voting on X Factor or Britains Favourite Dogs and leave the important stuff to people like her.
perhaps she doesn't, but i've no intention of finding out because she hasn't got my attention.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
she's been naked for the whole of those three years
Cambridge academic stages nude protest over Brexit in front of 30 economists
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
If only the naked rambler had published a few papers, he wouldn't have spent so long in Barlinnie.
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