Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[SpackleFrog]

em...the norm is to donate it to the server fund

I like to think of myself as exceptional.

It’s a bet. I’ll pay up if i lose. And funnily enough i hope i do.

So do I

I think a lot of remain Tories are lying about being remainers (including Cameron). I think if we leave the EU we’ll be toast economically. Yes, its full of neo-liberal technocrats but you can’t reform anything from outside the tent.

Was resigning and being one of the most ostracised PM's in history just part of the cunning ruse then?

 

[Pickman's model]

It’s a bet. I’ll pay up if i lose. And funnily enough i hope i do.

We all hope you pay up

 

[Pickman's model]

em...the norm is to donate it to the server fund

SF cannot be accused of being merely normal

 

[Ming]

We all hope you pay up

In 1 pence pieces or a cheque on the side of a cow (eta: mind you judging on how the fx rate’ll go after the 29th the penny option will be a bit easier).

 

[Raheem]

A car bomb's gone off in Derry.

It's just project fear, though.

 

[Baronage-Phase]

It's just project fear, though.

The police got a 30 minute warning. They didn't get to warn everyone... pubs and restaurant locked their doors and people were told not to leave.

Bishop street is in a predominantly Catholic area. Take from that what you will.

 

[alex_]

The police got a 30 minute warning. They didn't get to warn everyone... pubs and restaurant locked their doors and people were told not to leave.

That’s ok then.

 

[Baronage-Phase]

That’s ok then.

No it fucking isn't ok.
The police didn't get there in time to warn everyone.
And they've kept the road closed because they suspect there may be another bomb in a car parked there.

 

[SpackleFrog]

The police got a 30 minute warning. They didn't get to warn everyone... pubs and restaurant locked their doors and people were told not to leave.

Bishop street is in a predominantly Catholic area. Take from that what you will.

Do you mind if I ask what you would take from it, other than the bomb was planted by some sort of loyalist group?

Just trying to understand whether you think it's simply a continuation of the general rise in sectarian violence or whether the Brexit/hard border stuff has influenced their tactics.

 

[redsquirrel]

Starmer keeps going off-message.

Tories and Corbyn are consistent. This needs to be kept to parliament, the public must not be involved.

That's not Corbyn's position nor Labours official position. Both keep a 2nd referendum open as a possibility.

 

[flypanam]

Do you mind if I ask what you would take from it, other than the bomb was planted by some sort of loyalist group?

Just trying to understand whether you think it's simply a continuation of the general rise in sectarian violence or whether the Brexit/hard border stuff has influenced their tactics.

In Derry, outside a courthouse? It could be dissidents as they've being trying to explode something in Derry for a while, i guess a show of strength to their young followers but some people are speculating it could be loyalists because its not the first time they've let bombs off to force goverments hand.

As an aside there are rumours that sections of the IRA in Dublin especially those that used to around Alan Ryan are involved in burning direct provision centers in places like Rooskey.

 

[Baronage-Phase]

Do you mind if I ask what you would take from it, other than the bomb was planted by some sort of
loyalist group?

Just trying to understand whether you think it's simply a continuation of the general rise in sectarian violence or whether the Brexit/hard border stuff has influenced their tactics.

I've no idea.They will know better when/ if the powers that be release some information on the warning given.

My gut feeling is that it is loyalist sectarianism and to do with the border issue.
It's a nasty development.

 

[Supine]

Pretty funny company

 

[isvicthere?]

Yeah. Derry.

What happened to the protocol that emerged after the 1998 agreement calling it Derry/Londonderry?

When I was a kid in the '70s and the Troubles seemed to be on the telly almost daily, I thought they were two different towns.

 

[Baronage-Phase]

I've no idea.They will know better when/ if the powers that be release some information on the warning given.

My gut feeling is that it is loyalist sectarianism and to do with the border issue.
It's a nasty development.

..It looks like it's being linked to by the "New IRA".
Car bomb linked to dissident group 'the New IRA' - Independent.ie

 

[Badgers]

 

[agricola]

What happened to the protocol that emerged after the 1998 agreement calling it Derry/Londonderry?

When I was a kid in the '70s and the Troubles seemed to be on the telly almost daily, I thought they were two different towns.

If you are on a bus through Derry and noone gets up to offer a seat, speak to each other or have eye contact, then its Londonderry.

 

[Sprocket.]

I can’t help thinking that at the back of Corbyn’s mind is the comforting knowledge he has an allotment.

 

[gosub]

What happened to the protocol that emerged after the 1998 agreement calling it Derry/Londonderry?

When I was a kid in the '70s and the Troubles seemed to be on the telly almost daily, I thought they were two different towns.

Depends which bunch of balaclavas is blowing shit up

 

[Puddy_Tat]

John Prescott to thump an MP every hour on the hour until Brexit gets sorted

Newsthump article

 

[redsquirrel]

I think a lot of remain Tories are lying about being remainers (including Cameron).

Based on what? As SpackleFrog says if Cameron supported leave he could still be in power now. I'm sorry but this is tin-foil hat nonsense.

 

[DexterTCN]

What happened to the protocol that emerged after the 1998 agreement calling it Derry/Londonderry?

When I was a kid in the '70s and the Troubles seemed to be on the telly almost daily, I thought they were two different towns.

Colonialists call it londonderry.

 

[DexterTCN]

That's why the bbc is calling it londonderry. It's a message to you know who about the state position on the matter.

 

[William of Walworth]

think a lot of remain Tories are lying about being remainers (including Cameron).

Based on what? As SpackleFrog says if Cameron supported leave he could still be in power now. I'm sorry but this is tin-foil hat nonsense.

I agree with you there about Ming's point on 'lying'.

But with Cameron, If he'd supported leave in 2016,would he really still be there now? Whether or not remain had won?

Counterfactuals solve nothing, but interesting points.

 

[Ming]

Based on what? As SpackleFrog says if Cameron supported leave he could still be in power now. I'm sorry but this is tin-foil hat nonsense.

Can't back it up with anything, that's true. Just a feeling. A no-deal Brexit is a hell of an opportunity if your already wealthy and it'll enable them to push further getting rid of the welfare state. Also they have a track record of telling shameless whopping great porkies. Remember 'No top down reorganisation of the NHS?'. Followed by the biggest reorganisation in its history The Health and Social Care Act 2012. And then Portillo admitting they lied.

eta: I met Esther McVey once (my old local MP for West Wirral). She was campaigning about the local post office closing with a petition. I mentioned the Tory track record on post office closures and asked if her petition was cross party. She lied and said it was.

 

[SpackleFrog]

I agree with you there about Ming's point on 'lying'.

But with Cameron, If he'd supported leave in 2016,would he really still be there now? Whether or not remain had won?

Counterfactuals solve nothing, but interesting points.

Quite possibly if Cameron had campaigned to Leave it would have tipped the balance the other way

 

[SpackleFrog]

Can't back it up with anything that's true. Just a feeling. A no-deal Brexit is a hell of an opportunity if your already wealthy and it'll enable them to push further getting rid of the welfare state. Also they have a track record of telling shameless whopping great porkies. Remember 'No top down reorganisation of the NHS?'. Followed by the biggest reorganisation in its history The Health and Social Care Act 2012. And then Portillo admitting they lied.

eta: I met Esther McVey once (my old local MP for West Wirral). She was campaigning about the local post office closing with a petition. I mentioned the Tory track record on post office closures and asked if her petition was cross party. She lied and said it was.

Why not go all the way then and say Blair is secretly desperate for a no deal crash out? He probably did more to ensure Leave won and is still likely to win than any Tories.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

blood pressure trigger warning -

A citizens’ assembly is now the only way to break the Brexit deadlock
- Gordon Brown

Guardian article here

Think it's slightly less likely an outcome than Larry the Cat being elevated to the Lords and being asked to lead a government of national unity, but...

 

[Dogsauce]

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Pretty funny company

I dunno, I would have thought a manufacturer of paper towels would be very well placed to deal with a massive stinking pile of shit.

 

[Ming]

Why not go all the way then and say Blair is secretly desperate for a no deal crash out? He probably did more to ensure Leave won and is still likely to win than any Tories.

I think he only joined the Labour Party because he wanted to shag Cherie Booth personally. Maybe he is. I am confident it’ll be a no-deal. They’re just running the clock down now. By the way you’ll see a lot more stories like this in the coming months...
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