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Is Brexit actually going to happen?

Will we have a brexit?


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Losing by a 100 votes on the key bit of legislature of the last however many years does not win you a Ooh Nearly pat on the head. The Tories are trying to create a narrative to make her inevitable attempt at staying on after getting TROUNCED seem justifiable. It isn't justifiable. Its doublespeak of the highest order.
I expect Nick Ferrari will repeat it as a victory tomorrow.

It's the difference between (at 100ish votes) being able resign muttering "we'd have had Brexit if wasn't for you pesky Eurosceptic rebels" and her successor bring sbleeto repeat that excuse when dealing with the inevitable cancellation, sorry "postponement" of Brexit.

...and the reality of nobody giving a fuck what she says as the door hits her arse on the way out at around 200 votes.
 
It's the difference between (at 100ish votes) being able resign muttering "we'd have had Brexit if wasn't for you pesky Eurosceptic rebels" and her successor bring sbleeto repeat that excuse when dealing with the inevitable cancellation, sorry "postponement" of Brexit.

...and the reality of nobody giving a fuck what she says as the door hits her arse on the way out at around 200 votes.
and who has set those figures as the benchmark? other than tory briefs on LBC
whatever the final vote figures tories wont depose her in vote of no confidence
 
Turkey isn't in 'the' customs union (and it took them nigh on a decade to negotiate the one they are in). I'm not sure exactly what the terms of their version is, tho I do know JC thinks it is unsuitable for the UK. The EU doesnt actually want free movement from Turkey tho, whereas it is fine with it from the UK. So, it's doable, but not straightforward.

You said:

JC would need something clever up his sleeve to sort out a CU that didn't involve free movement

This is wrong. You can be in a CU and not have free movement. It's not a CU that is inextricably linked to free movement (as far as the EU is concerned), it's being in the SM.
 
You said:



This is wrong. You can be in a CU and not have free movement. It's not a CU that is inextricably linked to free movement (as far as the EU is concerned), it's being in the SM.
Yes, I know you can. I am fully aware there are different types of CU. But the Turkish version is massively different to the main one, and doesn't cover, eg, agriculture and public procurement, as well as free movement. It is not the deal JC (or anyone) wants, and so couldn't just be taken off the shelf and copied over. And, as said, the EU doesn't want free movement from Turkey, whereas it is fine with it from the UK. These are vast, important, differences.

So, as I said, a deal would be possible, but not straightforward.
 
What was your point? Charitably, perhaps I misunderstood it too.
Pretty simple. That if they want to get their way they need to take seriously the issues that led people to vote leave in the first place. Posts on here by the likes of cri or whatever they call themselves (the really tedious one who posts on all the US threads) and the crap I've seen in the guardian suggest to me that won't happen.

It was pretty simple - you won't get a more obvious spokesman of the ruling class than that and he knows its not just racism or people not understanding.

To be clear, I didn't vote in the ref. I'm not a 'leaver' as such and no deal fills me with fear. I just don't really want to be in either - it's not my debate, not my issue, and I understand why people like me would vote leave just to stick it to the cunts who've ignored us for years.
 
Pretty simple. That if they want to get their way they need to take seriously the issues that led people to vote leave in the first place. Posts on here by the likes of cri or whatever they call themselves (the really tedious one who posts on all the US threads) and the crap I've seen in the guardian suggest to me that won't happen.

It was pretty simple - you won't get a more obvious spokesman of the ruling class than that and he knows its not just racism or people not understanding.

What you said was:

Time for 'left' remainers to take a fucking good look at themselves when even a remainer banker gets it better than they do:

The banker says pretty much what I hear most remainers saying. Things should be done to bridge the divide. We need to recognise the things that led people to vote leave. It's not just racism. What is it that he 'gets' that most remainers, or 'left remainers' don't?
 
Pretty simple. That if they want to get their way they need to take seriously the issues that led people to vote leave in the first place. Posts on here by the likes of cri or whatever they call themselves (the really tedious one who posts on all the US threads) and the crap I've seen in the guardian suggest to me that won't happen.

It was pretty simple - you won't get a more obvious spokesman of the ruling class than that and he knows its not just racism or people not understanding.

To be clear, I didn't vote in the ref. I'm not a 'leaver' as such and no deal fills me with fear. I just don't really want to be in either - it's not my debate, not my issue, and I understand why people like me would vote leave just to stick it to the cunts who've ignored us for years.

Your views and mine are pretty close. And yet I am ‘left remainer’ (of course to many on this board I am a Tory :rolleyes:). So my problem with your initial post is that it attributes to a group a stereotypical set of views that they do not necessarily hold in order (seemingly) to then shoot down those views.
 
Saddens me that two years on people in TV vox pops say stuff like ‘we need to make our own laws’.

As if ‘we’ don’t on most of the things people really care about, as if we could on most of the trade stuff (we’ll always have to compromise with someone/agree standards etc) and as if they ever have been genuinely ours, not made to favour a few.

So yes, we do, but this Brexit isn’t it by a country mile.
 
so we need room for about 700 on the next scheduled service to the new south atlantic territories after this vote is over and they have served their purpose . is the Canberra still available ?
 
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