Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[Wilf]

"You must pass the deal.. it's the only deal there is... the EU will not offer anything else"
- But, Theresa, you'll lose the vote by a margin that might trigger the '48 letters'
"We'll put the vote off so that we can wring some meaningful concessions irrelevant shifts in the wording of some fucking document out of the EU"

 

[Dr. Furface]

She’s calling the vote off

 

[2hats]

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Oh just cancel the whole fucking thing for fucks sake

 

[Sprocket.]

Hahahahahahahaha.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

"Respect the will of the people" my fucking arse

 

[Wilf]

There's a sense of seeing how far the rabbit hole goes as we circle round via the Madhatter's Tea Party a few more times. If these weren't MP's, just normal folks with an ounce of dignity and self awareness, they'd have walked out a fortnight ago and got their Christmas shopping in. Whilst I haven't got an ounce of sympathy for them, it must be weird being trapped in this virtual world of brexit-bureaucratic-parliamentary-arsewank.

 

[kabbes]

The day will be won by the faction with the most stamina to just keep going. Which is clearly the EU bureaucrats and Brexit headbangers making no deal the best guess outcome.

 

[Wilf]

By the by, my instant response to the notion that she's problem got some kind of wording from the EU about limiting the backstop (as a statement, not in the agreement), is 2 things: it probably shifts 20/30 MPs who were going to vote against her or abstain. However it also makes her look more and more of an idiot, thus increasing the chance of her getting kicked out as and when the new vote fails.

 

[killer b]

What would happen if they made the meaningful vote properly meaningful? Following today's ruling at the European Courts, could they make real May's threat of 'my deal or no brexit' by making the parliament vote a choice between her deal and withdrawing article 50? Or would that see her immediate removal as leader of the Tories?

 

[Wilf]

Another random thought: this postponement leaves even less time for a 2nd referendum.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Another random thought: this postponement leaves even less time for a 2nd referendum.

Good, because that’s a terrible idea.

 

[DotCommunist]

its going to be another of those long afternoons spent watching a lectern and a bored copper until she shuffles out to say fuck all of note. Again.

 

[Wilf]

Good, because that’s a terrible idea.

I agree, certainly in terms of the in/out bit.

Edit: there's also the irony that Labour might finally commit themselves to some kind of 2nd ref (on the terms of the deal) just at the point there isn't time for one. I still have a feeling May could get 'something' through, 'at some point', largely due to her multiple failures so far draining the will and life force of the MPs. Getting something through as a result of previous failures.

 

[killer b]

its going to be another of those long afternoons spent watching a lectern and a bored copper until she shuffles out to say fuck all of note. Again.

I'd normally agree with you, but there's no road left to kick the can down. There's got to be some sort of change of tack.

 

[Crispy]

What would happen if they made the meaningful vote properly meaningful? Following today's ruling at the European Courts, could they make real May's threat of 'my deal or no brexit' by making the parliament vote a choice between her deal and withdrawing article 50?

Not explicitly, I'd have thought. All the house can do is Aye nor Nay a particular bill. There'd have to be two votes, one against the deal and one for remain.

 

[killer b]

Not explicitly, I'd have thought. All the house can do is Aye nor Nay a particular bill. There'd have to be two votes, one against the deal and one for remain.

Ah yes. So not that then.

 

[Crispy]

I chuckled

 

[brogdale]

Strange days when even an arse like Hodges can say something amusing...

 

[Wilf]

Ah yes. So not that then.

I thought they were accepting amendments (to the substantive thingy) after the Grieve amendment last week (though there was some speculation the day after that it didn't mean that ).

((((( Mother of Parliaments))))

 

[killer b]

Apparently there needs to be a vote in parliament to approve the vote being pulled... which the government could lose, and the vote go ahead anyway (and they'd then lose that).

 

[DotCommunist]

hope someones been round to tell STOP BREXIT shouter that there will be another live broadcast to crash.

 

[not-bono-ever]

Another random thought: this postponement leaves even less time for a 2nd referendum.

Timescales for a theoretical ref have the been played with and dry run by academics and random MP’s - can’t remember which uni but may have been UCL- I think a practical roll ref out can be a couple of months maximum should it be required

 

[SpackleFrog]

I agree with this. Coming from Jez's friends I hope he listens.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/10/jeremy-corbyn-europe-socialists-brexit?

"Fellow Socialists" - shower of bastards. Bet that'll really help the cause

 

[killer b]

I thought they were accepting amendments (to the substantive thingy) after the Grieve amendment last week (though there was some speculation the day after that it didn't mean that ).

How would you word such an amendment though? It doesn't seem possible to my mind.

 

[Sprocket.]

Is that Bobby Ewing coming out of the shower?

 

[DotCommunist]

"Fellow Socialists" - shower of bastards. Bet that'll really help the cause

chief among the names, the ex leader of PASOK. Say no more

 

[SpackleFrog]

I chuckled

This covers it perfectly at this point. What the fuck is going on? Why aren't we in the streets? We don't have a government!

 

[SpackleFrog]

chief among the names, the ex leader of PASOK. Say no more

Surprised Blair didn't sign himself.

 

[brogdale]

How would you word such an amendment though? It doesn't seem possible to my mind.

No vote; no Grieve amendment.
Game on again for the Brextremist Atlanticist loons.