Is Brexit actually going to happen?
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SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
To blend in among Yorkshiremen, simply place a large chip upon your shoulder.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
D'reckon it's just around the corner?
There was one in Northern Ireland except being a modest people in this part of Europe we called it "the troubles".
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
So...the Remainian rally on Saturday...any Urbz going along?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Have to knock it into shape
HoratioCuthbert
Deep seated inconsequence
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Remove head and destroy brain
mauvais
on reddit or something
Very short termist, this. I'm going to wait for about four years until the Americans declare the smoking ruins a success for democracy & depart leaving all their flytipped Main Battle Tanks with easily-disappeared parish councillors, and then form my own kind of heavily armed, entirely unforeseeable Islamic State of Randomly Allocated English Lands. I don't necessarily know where its caliphate historically belongs but if we start off at M62 J18 I reckon we should be able to fuck up an abandoned Moto services or two before the is-it-ironic-now giant dildo flag gets properly tangled up in the treads.
Ranbay
The same rules apply
Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
Still at the stage of clubs and fists.
Humberto
Callooh! Callay!
That poll, I don't see its relevance to the leave or remain vote. The questions seem bollocks. Leading, developing a theme, pushing in one direction.
If those opinions are widespread, why are they widespread? Its been said often but only a fraction of those eligible to vote, voted leave. If the poll is supposed to show leave voters have racist beliefs in statistically substantial numbers then I say, no, I'm not having it. The answers aren't provided by sneering liberal condescension, but rather by leftist solutions and arguments to a society fed to the dogs.
Its a class problem, from several angles:
Firstly. There are the great majority; impoverished and ripped off. The discourse is set. England is sold because it is threatened. 'Outside threats' unite. When in fact the ones that are harming you are a protected and privileged minority. They have their interests, they are selfish. It's cold but it's real and you can see it in other countries and polities too.
Secondly, taking it in context, there is precious little comfort or optimism. For example, we HAD food banks, austerity, privileged politicians and media commentators preaching to us that we were a burden. Mean-spirited ideology has come alongside an enormous increase in 'national debt/deficit'. Which would tend to show that austerity, libertarianism, neoliberalism and all this shit that gets foisted on us by oxbridge graduates and hedge-fund managers is shit for the majority. Your libertarian doesn't much care if there is an economic crash if they personally profit. In other words (and again its oft-repeated) if the majority suffer then people will vote for change; even if (and I'm not getting into that right now one way or the other) it is actually counter to their interests, or might actually to some extent make things worse.
Thirdly, politics is a sham in this country. There is a class divide. There is a distance between the politicians and the rest of us. And they make sure of it. Odious as it is, it's their bread and butter. They are basically hacks and jobsworths. This is probably an unpopular sentiment, but I don't so much blame or resent the individuals so much as hate the direction of travel. Some are capable, some are well-intentioned. Others are mediocrities (or deluded perhaps), but the class division is enforced through this situation. It controls the country, its direction of travel and the fortunes of its people.
If those opinions are widespread, why are they widespread? Its been said often but only a fraction of those eligible to vote, voted leave. If the poll is supposed to show leave voters have racist beliefs in statistically substantial numbers then I say, no, I'm not having it. The answers aren't provided by sneering liberal condescension, but rather by leftist solutions and arguments to a society fed to the dogs.
Its a class problem, from several angles:
Firstly. There are the great majority; impoverished and ripped off. The discourse is set. England is sold because it is threatened. 'Outside threats' unite. When in fact the ones that are harming you are a protected and privileged minority. They have their interests, they are selfish. It's cold but it's real and you can see it in other countries and polities too.
Secondly, taking it in context, there is precious little comfort or optimism. For example, we HAD food banks, austerity, privileged politicians and media commentators preaching to us that we were a burden. Mean-spirited ideology has come alongside an enormous increase in 'national debt/deficit'. Which would tend to show that austerity, libertarianism, neoliberalism and all this shit that gets foisted on us by oxbridge graduates and hedge-fund managers is shit for the majority. Your libertarian doesn't much care if there is an economic crash if they personally profit. In other words (and again its oft-repeated) if the majority suffer then people will vote for change; even if (and I'm not getting into that right now one way or the other) it is actually counter to their interests, or might actually to some extent make things worse.
Thirdly, politics is a sham in this country. There is a class divide. There is a distance between the politicians and the rest of us. And they make sure of it. Odious as it is, it's their bread and butter. They are basically hacks and jobsworths. This is probably an unpopular sentiment, but I don't so much blame or resent the individuals so much as hate the direction of travel. Some are capable, some are well-intentioned. Others are mediocrities (or deluded perhaps), but the class division is enforced through this situation. It controls the country, its direction of travel and the fortunes of its people.
HoratioCuthbert
Deep seated inconsequence
On yersel Humberto!
I’m on holiday, that’s the best I can do
I’m on holiday, that’s the best I can do
Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
Yes you need dialogue and reason rather than sneering and but Brexit has been a massive win for nationalism and its attitudes.
It’s also not simply horrible liberals v the/a portion of the working class. The comfortable Tory shires and their broad middle classes voted to Leave in droves. They pretend to favour the downtrodden ‘native’ working classes. Their attitudes are down to them and they can own them with no apologies.
Plenty of working class people including from black and ethnic minority groups voted Remain and they had equally valid hopes/fears/reasons to the ones that voted to Leave. While we shouldn’t sneer we can be concerned about those attitudes.
Chilli.s
mingling jets and statuettes
The decision makers, bless their well paid cotton socks. Set themselves an impossible task after making what they thought was a clever token of handing down a big choice to the masses. It was never thought through right from the start, never any plan. Still... they get their paycheck, pension and perks. I don't suppose there's any real incentive, other than gaining personal wealth and power. Politics, it's a wasteland of poor decisions with very little consequence for those involved.
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brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
"shitshow", innit?
Beermoth
Well-Known Member
I imagine the "it'll be chockablock with Lib Dems" factor is putting people off.
not-bono-ever
meh
This will be the last time any incumbent will chuck a public vote out there for the masses to have their say on an issue of this magnitude - it threatens their own legitimacy
8ball
Decolonise colons!
For a couple of decades, perhaps.
See you next time!
Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
Austerity merchants like Soubry, their Lib Dem enablers, Chukka and professional wasp chewer Debra Meaden. What’s not to like?
Remain don’t seem to get any problem with this to this day. Had they gone with my dream team of Danny Dyer, Clare Balding and the bloke with the rottweilers off ‘gogglebox’ this thing would be over.
Wolveryeti
Detty Pig
If you are saying it is amazing there exist people credulous enough to answer 'yes', then I agree.
Wolveryeti
Detty Pig
Then let me spell it out to you: If you support Brexit, people who are happy to openly spout this racist shit to total strangers are your political bedfellows. And if you lie down with dogs, don't be surprised if you get fleas!
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Yeah, but i wasn't suggesting that Urbz should be considering it.
Mind you, I think I may just visit the route at some point with my camera.
Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
That gun points two ways.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Who are your political bedfellows?
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