Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[Supine]

Today I visited a country that is not in The customs union with the EU, yet has an open border with the EU.

Oohhh. I do like a good quiz

 

[DotCommunist]

Today I visited a country that is not in The customs union with the EU, yet has an open border with the EU.

your mistress in Lichtenstein?

 

[SpookyFrank]

Today I visited a country that is not in The customs union with the EU, yet has an open border with the EU.

Switzerland?

 

[Supine]

your mistress in Lichtenstein?

I just googled that option

 

[Supine]

Isle Of Man?

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

Today I visited a country that is not in The customs union with the EU, yet has an open border with the EU.

Hahahaa
Minds are exploding

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

It also does not permit freedom of movement of people.

 

[Supine]

Andorra?

 

[sealion]

The Vatican?

 

[Supine]

I'm not finding the answer but reading about small place like andorra, leictenstein (sic) etc is interesting in terms of our potential future relationship with Europe. Makes a change from the bog standard Norway / Canada models that are normally discussed.

 

[DotCommunist]

I’m a bit nervous about posting this illiterate shite but here goes

pearls before swine etc

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

The Vatican?

Yep.

 

[DotCommunist]

don't lean on him man cos he only bought a ticket, right to Vatican city. Bet it looks amazing tho

I'm told they have raised the age of consent from 12 now, which is progress. Forwards comrades.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I'm not finding the answer but reading about small place like andorra, leictenstein (sic) etc is interesting in terms of our potential future relationship with Europe. Makes a change from the bog standard Norway / Canada models that are normally discussed.

See also, San Marino. Not in the EU, no free movement, no customs union, yet open borders.

Witchcraft.

 

[sealion]

Yep.

Did you nick any pope on a rope from the hotel?

 

[sealion]

Witchcraft.

Strange isn't it!

 

[sleaterkinney]

Or it could be that they're insignificant.

 

[Pickman's model]

See also, San Marino. Not in the EU, no free movement, no customs union, yet open borders.

Witchcraft.

That's because if they closed the borders the border zone would consume all of San Marino

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Or it could be that they're insignificant.

So the fundamentals of the EU can be ignored, if the country is deemed insignificant?

And in sleaterkinney’s world the Holy See lacks significance.

 

[DotCommunist]

I'm not finding the answer but reading about small place like andorra, leictenstein (sic) etc is interesting in terms of our potential future relationship with Europe. Makes a change from the bog standard Norway / Canada models that are normally discussed.

microstates are fascinating. Still more so no-spaces, non states. The existence in the interstices. This one always interested me Kowloon Walled City - Wikipedia


well off topic here but anyway.

 

[DexterTCN]

HoratioCuthbert

I appreciate your frankness and the way you intertwine brexit and indy and the complex local politics/family politics et al that go along with divisive issues. And your personal efforts with refugees are to be lauded.

I didn't make any simplistic analyses though...and UKIP all went back to the tories where they were hatched...job done. And Greece suffers to be in the EU because it's worth it for Greece.

The established left in Scotland have been found out to be largely a bunch of self serving and untrustworthy cunts, worse than the right because people trusted them. You can't trust the established left or the established right. I stopped watching tv some time ago, lots of people are either turning their tvs off (or just on thursdays) or are recording everything then examining it, posting it, challenging it. (but I still bought a 4k tv...go figure)

It's wonderful, people are engaged and positive. Remember that girl in England that got caught shoplifting mars bars and was fined £100 when she was starving and penniless? The crowdfunder up at your bit against Carmichael? Trying to stop the ozzie Brain family being deported? The Spanish government trying to take Carla back to face sedition charges? Remember when trump was here and Nicola headed a Pride march in Glasgow a month or so ago when he arrived? May getting booed last week...arrived in secret, went into a building...100s waiting to boo her when she exited and lurched to her car? The rolls-royce affair in Glasgow? The sly little announcement the other week that the Scots government has had over 200 meetings with other countries on trade recently? Baby boxes? NHS pay rise? Renewables. Bedroom tax? Carer's Allowance? Are you aware of any of it? 1000s of things, non-stop.

Sending the (cough) Lockerbie bomber home to die with his family? You think the UK government would ever do that? Ever?

I don't think you're involved in any of the indy communications networks and should check twitter or google or facebook or websites and blogs, look for a local meet-up group and have a chat, throw some questions and see what people are like. We are doing shit that isn't being done anyplace else in the UK and in very few places outside of it.

If there was a second brexit vote...if everyone in Scotland voted the way you wanted them to it wouldn't make any difference to the result.

Zero.

And that's the same for every decision after that, forever, in the union. The amount of powers that the EU has over the UK in comparison to the amount of powers the UK has over us is laughable.

Remember this...the UK government just gave Young's a £1.3 million grant to move their factory from Scotland to England...400 jobs lost here...400 gained there...aye cheers for that seems fair. £168 million given by the EU to Scots farmers...Gove says it's gone to England and that's that. (tells you what they think about our chances though )

Hey...all you parents out there...did you know in Scotland you get a box that has an electronic baby ear thermometer in it and other stuff too? Free meals and care for young ones, free care for the old, free university, prescriptions. A scheme to make sure all poorer women get free period products? btw yes I said free care for the old.

Free crossing of bridges and free parking at (non-pfi) hospitals?

Of the (I think) 315 murders in the last 7 years (not a typo...no zeros missing) 315 were solved. Rapes and sexual crimes, violent crimes, knife crimes...down.

Imagine what we'll do with all the powers.

So join the indy club and never mind that other stuff...it's easy here are the rules.

1: You will talk about indy
2: You will talk about indy
3: If you join...you gotta indy

You made an honest post HoratioCuthbert , so did I.

I know brexit is the best thing for Scotland's independence but it's a bad thing imo so I'll say it. I'm not sleekit.

 

[sleaterkinney]

So the fundamentals of the EU can be ignored, if the country is deemed insignificant?

And in sleaterkinney’s world the Holy See lacks significance.

Is the Vatican going to swamp us with cheap exports?.

 

[redsquirrel]

I’m a bit nervous about posting this illiterate shite but here goes

Not illiterate at all mate. Really good post.

 

[redsquirrel]

I didn't make any simplistic analyses though...and UKIP all went back to the tories where they were hatched...job done.

This is overly simplistic on both sides of the equation. A large %, possibly a majority, of the UKIP vote went to the Tories in 2017 but certainly not all of it. ~Likewise while the pre-2015 UKIP vote was drawn strongly former Con voters there was a significant proportion, ~50%, that wasn't. 1,2.

 

[Humirax]

this is very basic sociology. how can you have a free vote while there are large corporations, while there is an imbalance of power within society? if people working at humirax ltd are told that if labour win then their jobs might be at risk, do you not think a few of them might vote tory? then there's the role of information, knowledge famously being power. most people do not seek out information, whether because they don't know they're ill informed or because they haven't the time or the knowledge of how to or 1001 other reasons. you can't make an informed electorate, you can only give people the opportunity to become informed.

So basically people don't tend to be exposed to critical thinking or are'nt encouraged/taught to think critically, so they don't. Unless they are people like us.

 

[Pickman's model]

So basically people don't tend to be exposed to critical thinking or are'nt encouraged/taught to think critically, so they don't. Unless they are people like us.

I take it you've been exposed to thinking. Yet you don't engage critically with what's said to you. If you can't or won't engage critically with things here, I am not sure why you think you'll be able to elsewhere.

 

[bimble]

I know it's bad manners posting links to twitter but, would be interested to hear what people here think of the reasoning in this thread. Lots of what he says (and is arguing against) reminds me of things i've read on here since the referendum.
(you have to click on it to read the whole thing obvs)

 

[Pickman's model]

I know it's bad manners posting links to twitter but, would be interested to hear what people here think of the reasoning in this thread. Lots of what he says (and is arguing against) reminds me of things i've read on here since the referendum.
(you have to click on it to read the whole thing obvs)

House built on sand imo

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Did you nick any pope on a rope from the hotel?

No pope on a rope, nor pope’s dope. But did see the tomb of Pope Urban

 

[Pickman's model]

No pope on a rope, nor pope’s dope. But did see the tomb of Pope Urban

Which one?