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Wake up sheeple etc
Is Brexit actually going to happen?
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kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
With a campaign message that the electorate are thick, racist Orcs/Sheeple, I for one predict a thumping majority.
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Well Boris Johnson's dad anyway
the electorate, recently.
Flavour
hang the bankers
I don't know what would be worse: the smugness of "i told you so" liberals every time people dare to make a complaint in post-Brexit Britains ("shouldn't have voted leave then, should you, thicko racist?") or the smugness of "i told you so" liberals if somehow the tories end up not properly exiting, bending over for the EU etc, accepting the conditions imposed by Brussels for eventual reassimiliation ... "see, shouldn't have voted wrongly in the first place and all this mess could have been avoided! "
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
You manage to turn anarchist friendly people into ukip or bnp supporters with the strength of your argument. Good stuff.
Does have some relevance to this thread in that it mirrors the way a lot of remain supporters (and the pro-av voters in the previous referendum ) managed to operate - both before and after the vote - and the high handed manner in which the EU and a range of assorted betters (socially, intellectually, financially, culturally educationally) have carried on after - with similar results.
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rekil
to menny cranks
Tolkien's crude caricature of the industrial working class. #Morxit ftw
the electorate, recently.
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What I meant was that I talk to them and we agree on things and then I find out they are Ukippers later on in the conversation.
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Looks about right if you ask me
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the extent of our departure is yet to be determined. which is fucking ridiculous more than two years after the vote.
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use my line carefully
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this is very basic sociology. how can you have a free vote while there are large corporations, while there is an imbalance of power within society? if people working at humirax ltd are told that if labour win then their jobs might be at risk, do you not think a few of them might vote tory? then there's the role of information, knowledge famously being power. most people do not seek out information, whether because they don't know they're ill informed or because they haven't the time or the knowledge of how to or 1001 other reasons. you can't make an informed electorate, you can only give people the opportunity to become informed.
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You have a point but I still get frustrated with people. I and those I care about have to suffer the consequences of lazy thinking (or uninformed thinking) and I have never once in my life thought about voting Tory and will never understand why people do. I am surrounded by people where I live who think and behave in a totally alien way to me and it seems alot of the time to be hopeless trying to offer them the opportunity to become informed, they can be very stubborn and think they know best even when I can see that everything around them is a mess.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Are you sure you're not a leninist rather than an anarchist? Or a priest?
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Also being open about being an anarchist sometimes seems risky in these times and is something so alien to alot of people so I go about trying to spread anarchist ideas in a discreet way.
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Or, shall we say, in not an obvious, so visible way.
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how can you hope to influence people you don't/won't/can't understand?
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I'm just honest and open about how I feel (which is clearly a mistake). Don't tell me you never get frustrated with people, you must be the better, superior anarchist than me, which is why the anarchist movement is no doubt doing so well- oh, wait a minute!!
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hang the bankers
by being anti-working class thickos?
Jeremiah18.17
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Gardiner triangulates wildly:
Labour MP says second Brexit referendum may lead to social unrest
Labour MP says second Brexit referendum may lead to social unrest
Jeremiah18.17
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Interesting how the assumed response to the “will of the people being thwarted” seems to miss the point that pissed off and disconnected is how most people feel about most politics - most of the time - these days, anyway. The UK political “mainstream” are in a lose-lose situation. They can only seek damage limitation.
TremulousTetra
prismatic universe
you may find it interesting to Google "changing people's opinions" or something like that. It's virtually possible to change an established point of view (though they have found a trick to do it which is beyond the scope of the average person in a one-to-one debate) without cataclysmic social events.
Best wishes, Tremulous Tetra.
ETA this isn't the one I was reading, but it gives an outline. Facts Don't Change People's Minds. Here's What Does
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it took my mum around 25 years to start seeing the cops as predominantly rotten apples, i've given up on getting her to full acab thoyou may find it interesting to Google "changing people's opinions" or something like that. It's virtually possible to change an established point of view (though they have found a trick to do it which is beyond the scope of the average person in a one-to-one debate) without cataclysmic social events.
Best wishes, Tremulous Tetra.
ETA this isn't the one I was reading, but it gives an outline. Facts Don't Change People's Minds. Here's What Does
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doesn't have the learning of a priest
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
maybe a goblin priest
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
Because there's a perception that reversing Brexit makes independence less likely?
teuchter
je suis teuchter
"Yes dear. Yes. Uh huh. Rotten apples. Yes. Ok. I know dear, that's right. Silly old me. What time is your train again?"
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chez teuchter the art of conversation is dead
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