Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[toblerone3]

You poor ignorant twat. Bj not a fund manager but a journo turned politician who has been sacked at least twice for lying.

OK then Jacob Rees-Mogg.

 

[toblerone3]

By saying its just "doom and gloom" you are echoing tory Brexiteer politicians such as Jacob Rees-Mogg and Boris Johnson.

 

[sealion]

It's getting real nasty now a couple more glass of chateau du fuckwit and he'll be going for the jugular and calling me Thatcher.

 

[sealion]

By saying its just "doom and gloom" you are echoing tory Brexiteer politicians such as Jacob Rees-Mogg and Boris Johnson.

Are you joking don't you read the guardian or listen to that smarmy liberal tosspot James o'brien? All the doom i hear and read is from seething remainers.

 

[toblerone3]

Saying its all "doom and gloom" is a rubbish critique of people who have made what appear to me some quite valid points about the potential pretty serious potential impacts of a no deal Brexit.

Its not really a critique at all. Its refusing to listen. That is a shame because there quite number of interesting arguments made in that video which could have taken issue with or argued against with specific counter points. But you probably don't have the expertise to do that so just refuse to listen and resort to ad hominem strategies to justify why you don't want to engage.

 

[sealion]

What patronizing shit. I should listen to 3 rich remainers saying what i've already learnt over the last two years. You must live with your head in the sand if you think all the doom and gloom is coming from the leave camp. Look at your post- refusing to listen, how do you know how much of that video i watched? more than some on here if you read yesterdays posts. I listened but happen not agree nor care for there predictions if that's okay with you.

But you probably don't have the expertise to do that

See you have already made your mind up with a fucking weak insult fit for a liberal snob.

 

[Pickman's model]

OK then Jacob Rees-Mogg.

You clueless twat

 

[DexterTCN]

... I listened but happen not agree nor care for there predictions if that's okay with you...

Which ones?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

You sound like a certain right wing hedge fund manager with a poorly developed social conscience.

Boris Johnson

The cunt’s a hedge fund manager? Or is that bullshit?

 

[Pickman's model]

The cunt’s a hedge fund manager? Or is that bullshit?

Toblerone3 doesn't know what he's talking about

 

[toblerone3]

No the leave camp is all about the 'bright new dawn' and 'sunlit uplands'. But as we learn more about the types of deal (or no deal) that may be possible people are increasingly questioning this.

And while many Brexiteers like sealion refused to engage with the arguments, these anti 'No Deal Brexit' sentiments are gaining traction with the public.

I believe there was one recent poll which found that given a choice between a 'No Deal Brexit' and remaining in the EU, 59% would choose to remain in the EU versus 41% for 'No Deal' Given a three way choice between Remain, No Deal and Chequers-type Deal, Remain wins out by 21 percentage points on 48% with 27% for No Deal and 13% for the Government Deal.

Sky Data poll: 78% think the government is doing a bad job on Brexit

 

[sealion]

Which ones?

You can do one as well.

 

[xenon]

How do customer / supplier contracts become void on march 29tjjh. Is that explained by our pub denisens? GQ etc

 

[toblerone3]

The cunt’s a hedge fund manager? Or is that bullshit?

I wouldn't be surprised if he had a cut. You might want to look at this

Boris Johnson bankrolled by hedge fund managers set to gain £250m a year from Brexit

 

[toblerone3]

You clueless twat

You smell.

 

[sealion]

And while many Brexiteers like sealion refused to engage with the arguments

Do you have Saturdays lotto numbers as well? There was a remainer here yesterday commenting, then admitted to not watching the thing properly, you need to have a word with your cohort about not engaging. Tut tut.

 

[toblerone3]

How do customer / supplier contracts become void on march 29tjjh. Is that explained by our pub denisens? GQ etc

At what timepoint in the video do they say this?

 

[sealion]

At what timepoint in the video do they say this?

You should know, i mean, you did engage yourself didn't you?

 

[DotCommunist]

I believe there was one recent poll which found that given a choice between a 'No Deal Brexit' and remaining in the EU, 59% would choose to remain in the EU versus 41% for 'No Deal' Given a three way choice between Remain, No Deal and Chequers-type Deal, Remain wins out by 21 percentage points on 48% with 27% for No Deal and 13% for the Government Deal.

thats simply splitting the exit vote. Remain has one option here, but exit is offered two. I personally think a second reff could scrape a win for remain, but then I thought remain would scrape it first time around. So what do I know.

 

[toblerone3]

Do you have Saturdays lotto numbers as well? There was a remainer here yesterday commenting, then admitted to not watching the thing properly, you need to have a word with your cohort about not engaging. Tut tut.

I think democratically speaking it must be possible for the UK to leave the EU and many of the problems raised in that video could, in time, be resolved with short term workarounds and medium term resolutions. But the point is that the problems and the long-term costs of implementing them are not even being addressed and time is short before March 2019. When it comes to trade the devil can really be in the detail. How good are each of the workaround solutions?

 

[toblerone3]

You should know, i mean, you did engage yourself didn't you?

Haha I saw that one coming. , but seriously a timecode would be useful.

 

[toblerone3]

thats simply splitting the exit vote. Remain has one option here, but exit is offered two. I personally think a second reff could scrape a win for remain, but then I thought remain would scrape it first time around. So what do I know.

I take your point and its only one poll. But the 48% is greater than the two leave options put together (27% + 13% = 40%)

 

[SpackleFrog]

I take your point and its only one poll. But the 48% is greater than the two leave options put together (27% + 13% = 40%)

But there are more oprions than that. If you gave people a choice between a GE and a 2nd ref what would they say do you think?

 

[pocketscience]

Saying its all "doom and gloom" is a rubbish critique of people who have made what appear to me some quite valid points about the potential pretty serious potential impacts of a no deal Brexit.

Its not really a critique at all. Its refusing to listen. That is a shame because there quite number of specific points made in that video which could have taken issue with or argued against with specific counter points. But you probably don't have the expertise to do that so just refuse to listen and resort to ad hominem strategies to justify why you don't want to engage.

It's OK. There's enough doom and gloom to go round and remaining in the EU has its fair share of 'potential pretty serious potential impacts' too.
I didn't see anyone jumping to answer my questions earlier in the thread about how a remain UK should position itself within and EU. Maybe you'd like to try?

Concerning the 3 'blokes' in a pub video:
I won't try to counter their points because they're condescending wankers, but I did notice that the discussion was based entirely on a scenario of a very hard brexit that only covered the impacts on the UK in that very specific outcome.
So in this no deal outcome they discuss, a scenario where there's an immediate blockade on any movement of goods and services between the UK & EU on the night of 30th March 2019, which causes some kind of instant Armageddon to the British Isles only, why do they neglect to counterbalance it with any of the myriad of negative impacts for the EU?

To name one of the impacts on the Eu in such a scenario, and given that all things are equal, the EU wouldn't then allow the UK to do any Euro clearing services for the Euro states as of the 30th March either (Well they probably would but the UK would rightly tell them to do one). That's basically the entire foreign income of 18 nations of the EU wiped out immediately - apart form what they may be able to handle in Frankfurt in very very short notice (I'll be generous here and say it'll be chaos). The Eu would be fucked within a week.
It's a way shorter fuse to a much bigger explosive than what these 'blokes' are on about, but they don't mention it. Why?

 

[Pickman's model]

You smell.

That is strangely your most acute political analysis for months

 

[toblerone3]

The EU seems to be doing thinking about Euro clearing. Probably going to be a cost for both sides. I would guess, however, that the financial impacts on the UK would be considerably bigger.

The EU is trying to take control of London’s euro clearing market

I would like there to be more discussion about reforming the EU, but most people find it very boring.

 

[MickiQ]

The EU seems to be doing thinking about Euro clearing. Probably going to be a cost for both sides. I would guess, however, that the financial impacts on the UK would be considerably bigger.

The EU is trying to take control of London’s euro clearing market

I would like there to be more discussion about reforming the EU, but most people find it very boring.

This strikes me as from their point of view a sensible thing to do, The UK govt has taken an overly tolerant approach to a bunch of shyster bankers and it has been grudgingly accepted by the rest of the EU in the name of European Unity, Once the UK is out of the EU then the shysters will deal with huge amounts of Euro dosh with no oversight at all as opposed to minimal oversight now.

 

[pocketscience]

The EU seems to be doing thinking about Euro clearing. Probably going to be a cost for both sides. I would guess, however, that the financial impacts on the UK would be considerably bigger.

The EU is trying to take control of London’s euro clearing market

I would like there to be more discussion about reforming the EU, but most people find it very boring.

It's not so easy that they can set it up in 6 months. 6 years would be ambitious. Like what LibDem 'Bloke' said with trade deals, it's taken years to set up. London has ongoing deals with banks all over the world for clearing Euros. On top of that, the UK has a ton of FinTech IP that keeps it running. Not sure the Eu even has that tech & know how.

This strikes me as from their point of view a sensible thing to do, The UK govt has taken an overly tolerant approach to a bunch of shyster bankers and it has been grudgingly accepted by the rest of the EU in the name of European Unity, Once the UK is out of the EU then the shysters will deal with huge amounts of Euro dosh with no oversight at all as opposed to minimal oversight now.

I think most of the forex clearing is contractual/ agreement stuff and a lot of tech - less the shyster end of banking you're on about i.e commercial investment/ hedge funds/ loan sales etc... and if the Eu wants to take that lot off our hands, then as far as I'm concerned they can have them*

*not that the EU has a shortage in that department... as witnessed when greece's dealings with them went pair-shaped

 

[CRI]

Just something to think about for the folks who think a trade deal to import food from the US will be a fine substitute for EU produce.

Food safety regulations in the US have been watered down and clawed back under the Trump administration, so surprise, surprise, there's now a rash of food contamination outbreaks in the US, particularly affecting people in the heartland.

Avoid these foods due to outbreaks and recalls - CNN

Intestinal parasites in salads and other uncooked vegetables, salmonella in pasta salad, turkey, swiss rolls, ritz crackers and even children's breakfast cereal and listeria in prepacked sandwiches.

Yum yum!

 

[redsquirrel]

3. Stick with what worked before.

This is what these pricks really believe.

The idea they care about poverty, inequality etc is ludicrous when they back the policies of the fucking coalition government. They support the EU, support TTIP because they want more of the same neo-liberalism that we've had since the 70s. And when those that have been at the sharp end complain, well they're just uneducated, racist thickos.

Traditionally the lower educated and less intelligent have lower interest in politics and are less likely to vote. Credit where credit is due tho folks, we may not like it but the extremist right and the extremist left have found a way to activate the less intelligent and get them out to vote and shout from the rooftops on social media for their cause.