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Why would I say it’s the best way? Anything bourgeois is hardly going to be the best way. Sure, staying in the EU doesn’t combat nationalism, but leaving gave it an easy win. Nationalism and the protection of our borders = liberation.
We haven’t left yet, and the last year shows it’s not the best idea to make predictions.

Do you think continuing to ignore rising anti- EU sentiment throughout Europe - and deny people the chance to answer a question on the subject- will eventually just cause it to peter out?
 
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Blimey what a Gammon
Still not getting this gammon stuff but aye, he thinks this weird wanking and crying over the EU flag is what drove the remain vote in Scotland when probably it was about keeping yer heid below the parapet as it was in 2014. “Scotland did not let you down” honestly.
 
Still not getting this gammon stuff but aye, he thinks this weird wanking and crying over the EU flag is what drove the remain vote in Scotland when probably it was about keeping yer heid below the parapet as it was in 2014. “Scotland did not let you down” honestly.

Nah man. I enjoyed the 2014 referendum.... It was the handling of the EU aspect ...hiding the letter on the Parliament sever that told 'em how it would be, informed me don't do this when working out who to believe on the £ question...If they'd have gone THEN for EFTA I'd have voted YES, and, I think we would have been in a fair saner world
 
Nah man. I enjoyed the 2014 referendum.... It was the handling of the EU aspect ...hiding the letter on the Parliament sever that told 'em how it would be, informed me don't do this when working out who to believe on the £ question...If they'd have gone THEN for EFTA I'd have voted YES, and, I think we would have been in a fair saner world
Sure, fair enough. what I meant was for the most part I think Scots are a bit feart to break with the status quo (rather than this stuff about more tolerance, I think there’s a lot of anti immigration sentiment in Scotland too but I think it’s far less overt?) whilst the English were just biting their thumbs at project fear - when the Indy movement types make a thing of it they seem to forget Scotland didn’t actually go for independence either... and they thought there was far less of a crossover with Yes and Brexit votes than there turned out to be. I mind libcom going on about how there was less militant action happening in Scotland whilst it was on the rise in England and they pinned this all on the Yes ref because libcom are a bit tunnel vision on that, but I think both are just examples of Scots -again- keeping their head below the parapet a phrase I thought was actually peculiar to rural Scotland for years cause it’s so apt.

It’s a massive generalisation of course but I think it might fit better than RACIST ENGLAND LOVELY SCOTLAND.

Maybe. It’s 3 am :)
 
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Nah man. I enjoyed the 2014 referendum.... It was the handling of the EU aspect ...hiding the letter on the Parliament sever that told 'em how it would be, informed me don't do this when working out who to believe on the £ question...If they'd have gone THEN for EFTA I'd have voted YES, and, I think we would have been in a fair saner world
You were streets ahead of me, I’ve gone backwards, I was sort of idly thinking surely we need to go the whole hog with the Norway model but mostly I voted Yes to break the lockjam as auld John Aberdein put it, so this carried through to the EU ref but I hadn’t considered the EU question as much until then, now I am at the opposite end ,not 100 per cent sure what I would vote if it came up again, it’s all going to depend on which way everything falls.
 
I'm not sure it is that much of a derail. The letter is still on the sever: http://www.parliament.scot/S4_Europ...opean_Commission_dated_20_March_2014__pdf.pdf More than happy if some more techy geek than me can find links to it from the site, certainly weren't during the campaign proper. The that's just your opinion...the counter is that would be absurd and they are just saying that as an opening gambit.....But we now have Catalonia as a worked example. (though the game is now different for Scotland)

Am equally in a depends how this thing falls state of mind, coz there are some big Scylla and Charybdis ahead and to navigate past them, well, I wouldn't start from here
 
I'm not sure it is that much of a derail. The letter is still on the sever: http://www.parliament.scot/S4_Europ...opean_Commission_dated_20_March_2014__pdf.pdf More than happy if some more techy geek than me can find links to it from the site, certainly weren't during the campaign proper. The that's just your opinion...the counter is that would be absurd and they are just saying that as an opening gambit.....But we now have Catalonia as a worked example. (though the game is now different for Scotland)

Am equally in a depends how this thing falls state of mind, coz there are some big Scylla and Charybdis ahead and to navigate past them, well, I wouldn't start from here
i wouldn't have started from back there either
 
This is not information that sheds a comparatively benign light on leave voters, because their obsession with ‘reclaiming our borders’ leaves no one in any doubt that many felt the EU has not been anything like savage enough.
Exactly what HoratioCuthbert said. The fact that you are only able to see this from the Remain/Leave prism shows up the vapidity of your politics. Whether people voted leave or remain is irrelevant, the point is that the EU is a brutal neo-liberal entity.
Please elaborate.
The point I’m trying to make is that the demands of nationalism constrain the response from the EU.
Oh those nasty national governments forcing that poor EU to behave in this way. I suppose the EU is also been "constrained" to murder the Greeks too? What rot. Kouvelakis and Mailk outline how the EU is violently enforcing it's borders, both internal and external, in line with it's politics.

When a journalist from Germany’s Der Spiegel magazine visited the control room of Frontex, the EU’s border agency, he observed that the language used was that of ‘defending Europe against an enemy’.
Must have been a secret leave infiltrator.
the European Commission has signed migration deals with Niger, Mali, Nigeria, Senegal and Ethiopia. These migration ‘compacts’ tie development aid, trade and other EU policies to the agenda of returning unwanted migrants from Europe. The EU, in other words, hands over huge sums of money for would-be or thought-to-be migrants to Europe to be apprehended and locked up before they reach the Mediterranean shores.
Must be FAKE NEWS, it can't be that the EU is doing this because such deals advance it's political aims. No it must just be those racists leave voters forcing them to behave in this way.
 
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Correct me if I’m wrong, and I see different figures quoted but at 700 km plus does this not make the wall built in Turkey actually the second longest wall in the world?
 
My post Indy ref Status Quo profile pic now not so funny. “Now remember 45 per cent of the population have had it up to here with these guys”
 
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