Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[sealion]

yet my stance has largely been received with abuse as in all the varieties of tuck offery

It's how all trolls are treated on here.

 

[philosophical]

This is absolute claptrap. The inevitable end to the argument is that the only people ever responsible for anything -- even to the extent of suggesting ideas -- are those who voted for absolutely every stage of the process.

Nobody alive voted for the huge historical trends that got us to where we are. Nobody in this country voted for the US, Russian, Chinese, French, German or any other administrations that created the global context within which decisions have to be made. Nobody voted for the Irish government who are on the other side of the border you care so much about. A tiny minority were alive to have voted to take us into the EEC in the first place. A larger minority were of an age to have voted for the Thatcher governments that created the immediate political landscape that defined the context within the vote is had. A minority, even, voted for the Cameron government that created the referendum itself.

Who is there left who is not able to wash his hands of any responsibility for anything?

Furthermore, this is all besides the point. If you declare your lack of interest in being part of solutions, you also lose your right to have a stake in those solutions. This is the essence of why everything you have said is in bad faith. You are demanding answers whilst also demanding that you have nothing to do with any answers. Well make a fucking choice.

How can I lose the 'right' to have a stake in the solutions when I will be subject to the consequences of those solutions?
So I do have 'something to do' with the answers (if they ever appear).
Something about your post puts me in mind of the Orwellian thing about being required to love Big Brother even when Big Brother is the oppressor

 

[philosophical]

It's how all trolls are treated on here.

Does your label come with a bar code?
Yet another poster who appears to speak for others.

 

[sealion]

Does your label come with a bar code?
Yet another poster who appears to speak for others.

It's an open discussion board. I'm free to post here just as you are.

 

[philosophical]

No it's not you fool. How can the electorate find or for that matter impliment solutions that only mps have the power to do so.[/Q

Because the electorate elevate MP's to power, and they should be held to account rather than an electorate washing their ha rd of responsibility for who they elect.
Brexit won and it is a forever situation, MP's are re elected every five years of so.

 

[Pickman's model]

There were two questions, which one do you mean?

I just told you you numpty

 

[sealion]

Go and lobby your mp then. Ask him/her for the solutions you demand.

 

[Pickman's model]

You are mistaken. If you read back I said two things. That there is logic and logic, and that logic suggests, not dictates. My mentioning of 1994 was not a comment regarding your knowledge of Ionesco, but one about the logic of his knowing what was written in 2018, 24 years after he had died.
I accept that when posting on this thread I didn't read back two years and hundreds of comments, and agree I jumped in with both feet with my original question, and you quoted Ionesco that it is questions rather than answers that enlighten.
You lecture me on the contemplation of the stance of others, yet my stance has largely been received with abuse as in all the varieties of tuck offery.

Fuck offery I think you'll find

 

[philosophical]

I just told you you numpty

Errr, no you didn't.

 

[Pickman's model]

Errr, no you didn't.

err yes I did. The question starting why.

 

[Pickman's model]

I accept it is a problem for everybody living here, but finding a solution is down to the brexiters.
Why should people who think brexit is absurd have to be part of a solution, especially if they don't have one? Isn't their destiny to endure what they must, yet react if they can?

How many questions starting with 'why' are there in this post?

 

[mojo pixy]

You lecture me on the contemplation of the stance of others, yet my stance has largely been received with abuse as in all the varieties of fuck offery.

Not your stance; there are many flavours of Remainer on this forum, on this very thread in fact .. it's your approach that's got backs up. Wind your neck in and stop making sweeping judgements. You really aren't the cleverest person in this room.

 

[Pickman's model]

Not your stance; there are many flavours of Remainer on this forum, on this very thread in fact .. it's your approach that's got backs up. Wind your neck in and stop making sweeping judgements. You really aren't the cleverest person in this room.

he could be alone in the smallest room and there'd be more intelligent things in the chamber

 

[kabbes]

How can I lose the 'right' to have a stake in the solutions when I will be subject to the consequences of those solutions?
So I do have 'something to do' with the answers (if they ever appear).
Something about your post puts me in mind of the Orwellian thing about being required to love Big Brother even when Big Brother is the oppressor

If you have a stake in the solution, you are part of it. You've denied having any part of it, so you have no stake in it.

It's not me saying you have no stake, it's you. If you don't want any input, you can't object to the result.

 

[philosophical]

Fuck offery I think you'll find

You're right. predictive text is a pain.

 

[sealion]

Game over.

 

[philosophical]

Go and lobby your mp then. Ask him/her for the solutions you demand.

Funnily enough I have written to my MP, Heidi Alexander, a couple of times about brexit.

 

[philosophical]

How many questions starting with 'why' are there in this post?

One.

 

[DotCommunist]

Funnily enough I have written to my MP, Heidi Alexander, a couple of times about brexit.

did you call her a racist as well?

 

[sealion]

Funnily enough I have written to my MP, Heidi Alexander, a couple of times about brexit.

Did you start the letter by calling her a racist ?

 

[andysays]

Funnily enough I have written to my MP, Heidi Alexander, a couple of times about brexit.

I hope your letters were at least a bit better than your woeful contributions here, though I doubt it.

 

[sealion]

did you call her a racist as well?

beat me to it

 

[philosophical]

Not your stance; there are many flavours of Remainer on this forum, on this very thread in fact .. it's your approach that's got backs up. Wind your neck in and stop making sweeping judgements. You really aren't the cleverest person in this room.

I am not attempting to be clever however that may be defined.
If my judgements are sweeping then so be it, I don't see it the same way.
Anyway this discussion should not be about me anyway should it? I posted a couple of days ago about the Irish Border, isn't it better to discuss that?

 

[andysays]

 

[sealion]

Hi Heidi,
You are a racist, can i have some solutions please
Yours,
The troll.

 

[philosophical]

If you have a stake in the solution, you are part of it. You've denied having any part of it, so you have no stake in it.

It's not me saying you have no stake, it's you. If you don't want any input, you can't object to the result.

My input is to ask the victors for their solutions, my stake is that it will effect me.

 

[sealion]

Anyway this discussion should not be about me

 

[teqniq]

I am not attempting to be clever however that may be defined.
If my judgements are sweeping then so be it, I don't see it the same way.
Anyway this discussion should not be about me anyway should it? I posted a couple of days ago about the Irish Border, isn't it better to discuss that?

Trans: please talk about somebody/thing else

 

[sealion]

Funnily enough I have written to my MP, Heidi Alexander, a couple of times about brexit.

Did she respond ?

 

[philosophical]

I hope your letters were at least a bit better than your woeful contributions here, though I doubt it.

I wouldn't know. Her stance was to focus on the impact of EU agreements regarding medicines which is what she wrote to me, whilst saying that she suspects we agree on most things about brexit, but maybe she was being nice.
I also asked her and the other candidates at the hustings in Catford before the last election for their solutions to the Irish Border question, as I have been asking people since before the referendum.