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If he calls me a Nazi to start off with then a response is to be expected.

There's a huge irony in you having called many here racists right from your very first post and then whining about the response you got, but I doubt you're capable of recognising it.

Anyway, what gems of wisdom regarding Brexit has the Irish Times published today that you'd like to share with us?
 
There's a huge irony in you having called many here racists right from your very first post and then whining about the response you got, but I doubt you're capable of recognising it.

Anyway, what gems of wisdom regarding Brexit has the Irish Times published today that you'd like to share with us?
Interesting post. Shame the first part isn't actually true.
In terms of the Irish Times and words of wisdom I am not up to speed today. It seems to be following the pattern established so far in that the UK acts (or doesn't, yet time ticks on) and the Irish react.
 
No, i ask you a question - give you some tips as to what your answer would need to cover to be substantive. You don''t answer it. That's how it goes and how it went down.

There are a number of places where you can search 'what has the EU ever done for us?'. Fill your boots if you want.
My knowledge is not, and would probably never be comprehensive enough for you and if you think that invalidates my position go ahead and think that.
Two further thought occur to me. Is a post ages ago somebody described it as 'the migrant drowning EU', and indeed the deaths in Mediterranean waters were and are shocking, yet when it comes to accepting refugees principally from Syria the wider EU has responded more substantially than the UK.
The other issue is that whatever the rights and wrongs of the EU are, it is now over because of the brexit vote. Analyzing the past may be diverting, but dealing with the new reality is more pressing, including the practical workable solution to the Irish border issue.
 
You are on to something, but then again not quite. I am interested in what workable solutions brexiters can come up with whilst doubting it can be done. I have an Irish passport, and a brother living in Ballycasey, so if a brexit suggested 'solution' is a barbed wire frontier then I do have a stake in it.
if you wish to define that position as arguing in bad faith that is up to you.
I’m sorry — in what way, exactly, are you “interested” in these solutions? You’ve already said they’re nothing to do with you, you have no stake in how they could be implemented and you’ve no interest in feeding into any process to make them better. You’ve washed your hands of it, which is the exact opposite of being “interested”. It’s bad faith all the way down.
 
The authors of the Good Friday Agreement obviously saw a re-united Ireland as a potentially workable option, otherwise they wouldn't have included a means by which it could happen, but philosophical has dismissed it out of hand as a solution to the post-Brexit border issue.

I wonder how he can justify this dismissal of the very Agreement which he is claiming is now threatened by all those racist Brexit voters callously and deliberately voting to return Ireland to sectarian violence.
 
I’m sorry — in what way, exactly, are you “interested” in these solutions? You’ve already said they’re nothing to do with you, you have no stake in how they could be implemented and you’ve no interest in feeding into any process to make them better. You’ve washed your hands of it, which is the exact opposite of being “interested”. It’s bad faith all the way down.
Stretching your bad faith angle out of shape I think. I am interested in the 'solutions' because they may well have a practical impact on me, I don't have any solutions to suggest because I can't think of one that will work and still be called brexit, and I also have no solutions to suggest because I didn't vote for it in the first place and I would love the process to disintegrate not through my doing, but ironically through the actions of those brexit voters who thought they could manage the process, yet they are tying themselves in knots.
Somebody likened brexit to unscrambling the omelette which is something I can't manage, but brexiters seem to think they can.
If my position is one of 'bad faith' (whatever that quite means) then I accept that. If you voted brexit it is now your country and your problem, not mine anymore to have either good or bad faith in.
 
The authors of the Good Friday Agreement obviously saw a re-united Ireland as a potentially workable option, otherwise they wouldn't have included a means by which it could happen, but philosophical has dismissed it out of hand as a solution to the post-Brexit border issue.

I wonder how he can justify this dismissal of the very Agreement which he is claiming is now threatened by all those racist Brexit voters callously and deliberately voting to return Ireland to sectarian violence.
I have not dismissed that 'solution' out of hand, indeed I quoted the part of the GFA (clause six I think) earlier for clarity. I have repeatedly suggested a workable solution needs to be found, and I don't think a United Ireland will sell to the Tory mates the DUP.
The GFA United Ireland clause was not written in to the agreement in anticipation of brexit by the way.
 
If he calls me a Nazi to start off with then a response is to be expected.

so i got out of you what you was thinking deep down
You can call me one but i cant do the same
righto, Stop with the labels and we might all get on
By the way i did not vote for Brexit
off now to enjoy the sun up in whitehall
 
I have not dismissed that 'solution' out of hand, indeed I quoted the part of the GFA (clause six I think) earlier for clarity. I have repeatedly suggested a workable solution needs to be found, and I don't think a United Ireland will sell to the Tory mates the DUP.
The GFA United Ireland clause was not written in to the agreement in anticipation of brexit by the way.
By your logic, those who did not vote for the Tories or DUP also don’t have to present solutions.
 
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By your logic, those who did not vote for the Tories or DUP also don’t have to present solutions.

I believe the solutions have to come from those who 'knowing what they were voting for,' voted brexit.
There is logic and there is logic. Ionesco pointed out that at one level if you say a dog is an animal with four legs, then by some kind of logic a cat is a dog.
If those who voted brexit are not supposed to solve the brexit problems then who is?
 
You arguments are frankly laughable. You constantly return to this notion that Brexiters voted for it therefore they should come up with a solution. We all live here and much as much as many people are unhappy with the way the vote turned out, it's not somebody else's problem it's everyones.
 
My opening part of my first post on this thread was in the form of a question.
Logic suggests Eugene wouldn't know it having died in 1994.
And very enlightening for the rest of us as regards what you really think it was too.

What disingenuous crap - it was a smear and generalised insult in the guise of a genuine question that you thought you would clearly get away with. It seems clear that you do this as matter of habit without getting called on it - hence your embarrassing responses to being found out.
 
You arguments are frankly laughable. You constantly return to this notion that Brexiters voted for it therefore they should come up with a solution. We all live here and much as much as many people are unhappy with the way the vote turned out, it's not somebody else's problem it's everyones.
I accept it is a problem for everybody living here, but finding a solution is down to the brexiters.
Why should people who think brexit is absurd have to be part of a solution, especially if they don't have one? Isn't their destiny to endure what they must, yet react if they can?
 
'The rest of us', nah no groupthink here!
Isn't it safer to assert that you think you know what I think, rather than call on the cavalry to agree with you?
Even a whole troop of cavalry isn't telepathic anyway.
Of course there's a collective consensus that you're being utterly dishonest when you seek to pretend that your question was genuine and not a juvenile attempt at a smear job - one that you clearly are used to using unchallenged.

Odd that you seem to think the medium of writing is incapable of communicating meaning. Does that apply to all writing or merely your own?
 
'Of course there is a collective consensus'.
What next? Invoke survey monkey to prove your point in some way?
I post on here as an individual voice using the medium of writing, if I thirst for validation as many here seem to, then I am clearly failing, but I can live with that.
 
Logic suggests Eugene wouldn't know it having died in 1994.

I am aware of when he died, having had brief correspondence with him during 1993 while living in France and being a new fan of his work at the time. I did notice when he passed.

But the reason I mention this (other than the blatant but cool name drop) is because pulling your Logic Dictates card just there exemplifies your problem in this thread. You seem to be posting from a position where other people's other attitudes and experiences and knowledges and understandings are irrelevant or just non existent. Like there, you assumed I wasn't aware of when someone died, whom I had just quoted. Just as you apparently aren't aware or don't care that people voted Leave for more and better reasons than the ones you insist must have motivated them. You don't even seem interested in hearing about that, as in you didn't even read this thread before jumping in with both feet, insults and implicit accusations.

Absurd.

(See? I'm reduced to literary puns now :mad: )
 
I believe the solutions have to come from those who 'knowing what they were voting for,' voted brexit.
There is logic and there is logic. Ionesco pointed out that at one level if you say a dog is an animal with four legs, then by some kind of logic a cat is a dog.
If those who voted brexit are not supposed to solve the brexit problems then who is?
This is absolute claptrap. The inevitable end to the argument is that the only people ever responsible for anything -- even to the extent of suggesting ideas -- are those who voted for absolutely every stage of the process.

Nobody alive voted for the huge historical trends that got us to where we are. Nobody in this country voted for the US, Russian, Chinese, French, German or any other administrations that created the global context within which decisions have to be made. Nobody voted for the Irish government who are on the other side of the border you care so much about. A tiny minority were alive to have voted to take us into the EEC in the first place. A larger minority were of an age to have voted for the Thatcher governments that created the immediate political landscape that defined the context within the vote is had. A minority, even, voted for the Cameron government that created the referendum itself.

Who is there left who is not able to wash his hands of any responsibility for anything?

Furthermore, this is all besides the point. If you declare your lack of interest in being part of solutions, you also lose your right to have a stake in those solutions. This is the essence of why everything you have said is in bad faith. You are demanding answers whilst also demanding that you have nothing to do with any answers. Well make a fucking choice.
 
I am aware of when he died, having had brief correspondence with him during 1993 while living in France and being a new fan of his work at the time. I did notice when he passed.

But the reason I mention this (other than the blatant but cool name drop) is because pulling your Logic Dictates card just there exemplifies your problem in this thread. You seem to be posting from a position where other people's other attitudes and experiences and knowledges and understandings are irrelevant or just non existent. Like there, you assumed I wasn't aware of when someone died, whom I had just quoted. Just as you apparently aren't aware or don't care that people voted Leave for more and better reasons than the ones you insist must have motivated them. You don't even seem interested in hearing about that, as in you didn't even read this thread before jumping in with both feet, insults and implicit accusations.

Absurd.

(See? I'm reduced to literary puns now :mad: )
You are mistaken. If you read back I said two things. That there is logic and logic, and that logic suggests, not dictates. My mentioning of 1994 was not a comment regarding your knowledge of Ionesco, but one about the logic of his knowing what was written in 2018, 24 years after he had died.
I accept that when posting on this thread I didn't read back two years and hundreds of comments, and agree I jumped in with both feet with my original question, and you quoted Ionesco that it is questions rather than answers that enlighten.
You lecture me on the contemplation of the stance of others, yet my stance has largely been received with abuse as in all the varieties of fuck offery.
 
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