Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[philosophical]

But it's lie isn't it? A malicious slur. A public accusation.

Which bit are you referring to?

 

[sealion]

One reason was because I prefer proportional representation as a chance to avoid perpetual rule by Tories.

What are the other reasons ?

 

[philosophical]

Are you not capable of following a simple line of argument for 20 minutes? Jesus Christ.

Fully capable if a simple line of argument is being presented.

 

[butchersapron]

Which bit are you referring to?

Your opening post. One know which one.

 

[philosophical]

What are the other reasons ?

Another is because I believe collaboration with close neighbours is better than isolation.

 

[kabbes]

Mojo is asking how the posters are supposed to implement a solution. You’ve answered that by just repeating that they should implement it.

I don't know how I didn't vote for it.

That’s the very definition of arguing in bad faith.

I don't agree.
How can it be down to remainers to suggest a solution?

Bad faith - Wikipedia

bad faith was equated with being double hearted, "of two hearts", or "a sustained form of deception which consists in entertaining or pretending to entertain one set of feelings, and acting as if influenced by another"

Some examples of bad faith include: a company representative who negotiates with union workers while having no intent of compromising

By your own admission, you are not interested in how ideas can be implemented. You are thus pretending to want an answer to a question that in practice you have no interest in. You have no intent on compromising, you are acting as if you want to know how something can be done whilst then denying any stake in that something.

This is textbook bad faith.

 

[butchersapron]

Another is because I believe collaboration with close neighbours is better than isolation.

And that has to happen on a neo-liberal platform based on increasing exploitation of the internal workforce by setting them at each others throat, taking the profits and using them to super-exploit those outside the platform. Doesn't sound like internationalism to me.

 

[philosophical]

Your opening post. One know which one.

My opening post yesterday after a while away was about only British Passport holders getting jobs in Northern Ireland, well ,I posted links to articles about it.
The reaction since has not been about the issue, but various posters here indulging in fuck offery and introducing the notion of child pornography.

 

[butchersapron]

My opening post yesterday after a while away was about only British Passport holders getting jobs in Northern Ireland, well ,I posted links to articles about it.
The reaction since has not been about the issue, but various posters here indulging in fuck offery and introducing the notion of child pornography.

You really are the man with no past - but who insists everyone else must live in your fear of it, bit with no consequences for yourself for your own past behaviour. Sten guns in...er hammersmith palais.

 

[kabbes]

My opening post yesterday after a while away was about only British Passport holders getting jobs in Northern Ireland, well ,I posted links to articles about it.
The reaction since has not been about the issue, but various posters here indulging in fuck offery and introducing the notion of child pornography.

When you post in bad faith, others rapidly lose interest in treating your offerings at face value.

 

[philosophical]

Bad faith - Wikipedia



By your own admission, you are not interested in how ideas can be implemented. You are thus pretending to want an answer to a question that in practice you have no interest in. You have no intent on compromising, you are acting as if you want to know how something can be done whilst then denying any stake in that something.

This is textbook bad faith.

You are on to something, but then again not quite. I am interested in what workable solutions brexiters can come up with whilst doubting it can be done. I have an Irish passport, and a brother living in Ballycasey, so if a brexit suggested 'solution' is a barbed wire frontier then I do have a stake in it.
if you wish to define that position as arguing in bad faith that is up to you.

 

[philosophical]

And that has to happen on a neo-liberal platform based on increasing exploitation of the internal workforce by setting them at each others throat, taking the profits and using them to super-exploit those outside the platform. Doesn't sound like internationalism to me.

Isolation with eternal rule by Tories sounds worse.

 

[philosophical]

You really are the man with no past - but who insists everyone else must live in your fear of it, bit with no consequences for yourself for your own past behaviour. Sten guns in...er hammersmith palais.

I have a past. You're mistaken.

 

[butchersapron]

Isolation with eternal rule by Tories sounds worse.

That's a very accurate picture of UK electoral politics - backed up by the massive and growing tory majority in the only election post brexit referendum. Isn't it?

 

[butchersapron]

I have a past. You're mistaken.

You just think that it doesn't matter - that you don't have to take any responsibility for your own actions whilst spending interminable hours demanding that others do so in every single minute detail. You two faced cunt.

 

[philosophical]

That's a very accurate picture of UK electoral politics - backed up by the massive and growing tory majority in the only election post brexit referendum. Isn't it?

Yes internal politics ebbs and flows but over my 65 years it has generally been Tory or Tory-lite. The EU has diluted it a bit and I see that as a good thing on balance.

 

[philosophical]

You just think that it doesn't matter - that you don't have to take any responsibility for your own actions whilst spending interminable hours demanding that others do so in every single minute detail. You two faced cunt.[/QUOTE

Isn't it revealing when a post starts by telling another person what they must think?
I will take full responsibility for my own actions. Where would you like me to start?
The old adage is that cunts like me make pricks like you stand to attention.

 

[butchersapron]

Yes internal politics ebbs and flows but over my 65 years it has generally been Tory or Tory-lite. The EU has diluted it a bit and I see that as a good thing on balance.

So brexit didn't deliver what you just claimed that it did. keep the story straight for a few posts at least. The EU actually accelerated tory policies and wrote them into the constitution across europe rather than diluting them by the way. Don't you care about your european brothers and sisters now?

 

[butchersapron]

I will take full responsibility for my own actions. Where would you like me to start?
The old adage is that cunts like me make pricks like you stand to attention.

Start with your first post on this thread.

Excellent, i hear national service was a right laugh. Rationing not so much.

 

[philosophical]

So brexit didn't deliver what you just claimed that it did. keep the story straight for a few posts at least. The EU actually accelerated tory policies and wrote them into the constitution across europe rather than diluting them by the way. Don't you care about your european brothers and sisters now?

I don't agree with your analysis regarding what the EU has done.

 

[butchersapron]

I don't agree with your analysis regarding what the EU has done.

Can you in anyway argue your position? You don't remember Thatcher's victory over the common market in the mid 80s, when the EU was definitively and irrevocably tory-ised. Of course not, because you have no past. None that you will own anyway.

 

[philosophical]

Start with your first post on this thread.

Excellent, i hear national service was a right laugh. Rationing not so much.

My first post on this thread has been revisited many times. It starts with a question.
There has subsequently been a development in my thinking due to some exchanges I have had here. However I feel no shame of discomfort in what I posted then or subsequently.
If I continually abuse individual posters then I would feel shame.

 

[butchersapron]

My first post on this thread has been revisited many times. It starts with a question.
There has subsequently been a development in my thinking due to some excuse I have had here. However I feel no shame of discomfort in what I posted then or subsequently.
If I continually abuse individual posters then I would feel shame.

That's that bad faith again priest.

 

[philosophical]

Can you in anyway argue your position? You don't remember Thatcher's victory over the common market in the mid 80s, when the EU was definitively and irrevocably tory-ised. Of course not, because you have no past. None that you will own anyway.

You have asked me a question and then answered it in the same post. Well played.

 

[butchersapron]

You have asked me a question and then answered it in the same post. Well played.

I asked you a question that you didn't answer - can't/won't answer - and provided some clues as to what you might need to think about to offer a substantive answer. Which can't/won't come. Because the past doesn't exist for you. The present seems to be a faint memory to be honest.

 

[philosophical]

That's that bad faith again priest.

My predictive text changed exchanges into excuse and I have edited it. It also changed brexit into 'credit' for some reason.

 

[butchersapron]

My predictive text changed exchanges into excuse and I have edited it. It also changed brexit into 'credit' for some reason.

That changes nothing.

 

[philosophical]

I asked you a question that you didn't answer - can't/won't answer - and provided some clues as to what you might need to think about to offer a substantive answer. Which can't/won't come. Because the past doesn't exist for you. The present seems to be a faint memory to be honest.

Let's see if I get this right.
Whilst writing a post you ask a question, then berate me for not having the magical powers to interrupt the post you're writing with an answer.
Well played indeed.

 

[philosophical]

That changes nothing.

Fair enough. Just posted for clarity.

 

[butchersapron]

Let's see if I get this right.
Whilst writing a post you ask a question, then berate me for not having the magical powers to interrupt the post you're writing with an answer.
Well played indeed.

No, i ask you a question - give you some tips as to what your answer would need to cover to be substantive. You don''t answer it. That's how it goes and how it went down.